originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: spiritualzombie
Soon the "but...Hillary" crowd will arrive to derail your thread.
I have never voted FOR anyone. I always vote AGAINST the fascist.
I just wanna come out clean!
To be fair, the OP's lead-in was basically:
Trump sucks because A, B, C and D.
Hillary is decent because A, B, C and D.
Are people not allowed to counter the second half of the post?
I also think that it's important to point out that no election is just about one person (because there will never be a single "perfect" candidate).
We always have to compare and contrast two individuals and see which will be more likely to do more good (or cause less harm).
For myself, I openly admit I'm angry about the state of affairs and some of the things I see going on with our elected (and appointed) officials
(within BOTH parties). I'm angry that when the manufacturing jobs started to go overseas we were all told, "Don't worry, these jobs will be replaced
with more skilled jobs"..... then as soon as I.T. became a thing those jobs started going overseas or even worse, the politicians allow for the
blatant abuses of the H1B (and other) Visa programs. I'm angry that for all the money poured into it, our public schools suck relative to the rest of
the developed world. So yes, I'm angry about these and many other issues.
That being said, being angry and thinking clearly are not mutually exclusive. Heck, I work in Construction Management and sometimes my contractors do
things that make me furious.... but I don't make drastic, off the cuff decisions.
As it stands now, it looks like I will be voting for Trump and my conscious will be clear.
He does many things I don't agree with. He picks battles when I think he should hit the "ignore" button (like with this Khan fellow and prior to that
with the McCain comments). He speaks a little too quickly (like when he originally said "ban all Muslims until we figure this thing out" and even
though I kinda/sorta knew that he meant and he later proved me right by clarifying that he intended to ban unvettable people from war torn and hostile
to Western nations... until we can figure this out). I don't get bogged down with the racist/misogynist claims because I don't believe there is any
Will he build that wall? Maybe. Will he bolster and improve the morale of those protecting our borders? I believe strongly that he will. To me,
the immigration issue is one of the more important ones. It's not about race. It's about security. It's about the economy. It's about the schools.
It's about the finances. It's also about the vaccinations and diseases. (The past few years, every September all these "mystery" diseases affect
kids in the public schools where the allegedly "unaccompanied minors" were sent...... "mystery diseases" that are pandemic in many of the places where
the "unaccompanied minors" come from). I'll stop now to prevent thread drift.
Will he bring ALL the jobs back? Probably not. Well he start a Trade War? Nope. Will he cut better deals for the United States? I believe
strongly that he will. I think this is where the business-man is important to me. While spending essentially her entire career in politics,
commenting on and perhaps helping to craft legislation that drastically affects business, she has never really worked "in the real world," as the
saying goes. People have made all sorts of accusations about how Trump screws people over and I had previously provided a wall of text in another
thread disputing that. People have made comments about some of his ventures that have not worked out. To that, I ask "So what?!?!?!" When you move
forward on one large project after another OF COURSE some of them aren't going to work out. I'll stop now to prevent thread drift.
As far as Hillary is concerned, I hear people talk about her experience and the best I can do in support of her is acknowledge that she held positions
as Senator and Secretary of State. To me it seems as though she was a do-nothing Senator in NY (although to be fair, I actually think a do-nothing
Senator is a helluva lot better than the Chuck Schumers of the world). The more important role, in my opinion, was her time as Secretary of State.
This is really the key to everything regarding how she would handle world affairs. She was, in my opinion, a complete disaster. She rails against
Russia now (but seems to forget her Russian "Reset Button" display). How does she get a pass on this? She played a huge part in the whole Arab
Spring concept.... how did that work out? Again I ask, how does she get a pass on this?
Also, and this is sort of a side-note but considering we hear so much about Trump's demeanor it forces me to look at Hillary's. After killing Gadhafi
(which may or may not have been a good move considering where we are today), she had her, "We came, we saw, he died.... cackle cackle cackle" moment.
THAT is presidential? Even if Gadhafi was a bad guy that deserved to die, shouldn't that be handled in a sober and somber tone? I understand
sometimes people have to be killed but it shouldn't be something to laugh and joke about. Talk about a "potential recruiting tool."
Then there is also the Clinton Foundation money stuff. The donations from all sorts of sketchy characters and nations. All the stuff that took place
DURING her tenure as Secretary of State. She rails against Wall Street but took in TONS of money for "speeches." Sorry, but I'm not sure she is all
that interesting to get paid those sums of money from Wall Street. I think of these paychecks as more of a down payment for future favors, should she
Trump lies I'm sure. He definitely has changed some of his views over the past several years. However, Hillary is an absolute, total, bold faced lie
right to your face type of liar. I expect a bit of lying from politicians but oh my Lord she is so over the top.
To me this (and all) elections are only partially about me. My wife and I have our careers and although anything can happen, our professional outlook
seems pretty good all the way through retirement (decades away). I'm hoping that we live another forty or fifty (or more) years but like I said, for
the most part we are going to be okay. What I worry about is our four year old son and kids of that age. What is going to be left for them by way of
opportunities when they come of age? Automation. Lopsided "free" trade deals. A lack of effort to secure our borders and to extinguish J.V.
terrorist groups before they grow and grow. My choice isn't about me its about the next generation.
I know we are moving slowly towards the NWO cliff (for lack of a better phrase) but my choice is who will slow that down a bit and create an
environment that will provide opportunities for the short-and-mid-term future.
Although I wish the choices were better, my conscious will be crystal clear.