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Human Rights Watch Reports that US Government Tortured Children- Paul Craig Roberts

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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:38 PM
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So I just got done reading this disturbing article put out by Paul Craig Roberts and honestly it makes me sick to my core. We live in this little brainwashed bubble of "American Exceptionalism" that has been so ingrained in the masses that cognitive dissonance simply takes over and we accept the most criminal form of governance upon the face of the earth.

I will be picking key points that I feel worth going over here and we can have a discussion about the points being made. I truly appreciate his view in this wild world, it is one of honesty. What we have been doing throughout the world is criminal to the highest degree and those in power will only be held accountable when we pick up the damn mirror and acknowledge the abuses being done in our name.

Human Rights Watch reports that US Government Tortured Children- Paul Craig Roberts


Which country is the worst abuser, Israel or the US? Taking into account that the US is responsible for the violence in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria that has resulted in torture and detention, if we include these victims in the American total, then the US is the Number One torturer of children. As it is unlikely that Israel could get away with abuse of Palestinian children without Washington’s support, we can add Israel’s abuses to Washington’s total.


From dropping depleted uranium upon the innocent civilians in Iraq, to occupying Afghanistan for control of opium, to overthrowing Gaddafi because of the Dinar, to arming/funding/recruiting ISIS in Syria, we have very and I do mean very bloody hands. This is what our tax dollars are paying for.


What kind of US government would pay two US psychologists $81 million to help the CIA devise torture techniques? www.huffingtonpost.com... Only a lawless government with no respect for US law and international law.

Think back to the torture memos written by US Department of Justice (sic) officials John C. Yoo and Jay S. Bybee. These memos justifying the US government’s torture of detainees despite the prohibition of torture by both US statutory law and international law to which the US is a signatory have been denounced by civil libertarians as the work of legal incompetents or criminals or both. Yet, John Yoo is a professor of law at the University of California, Berkeley, and for his service to the White House torturers Jay Bybee was appointed a US federal judge to the second highest court. If Hitlery becomes president, Bybee and Yoo could end up on the Supreme Court.



Ah another great point... they fund these psychologists to devise horrific torture techniques and not only are they not tried for the crimes they have committed, to the contrary they are rewarded with positions of power. Where one can teach others their insanity and to become a god damn JUDGE at the federal level!?

I like his point in the context of the above....



The positions held by Yoo and Bybee tell the world all that is needed to know that the United States is a lawless entity and that this lawlessness is accepted by America’s legal, political, and educational institutions and by the American people.


On to GITMO!



Do you remember the 775 Guantanamo detainees described by the US Secretary of Defense and the Vice President of the US as the most dangerous, most violent men on earth? We will never know how many of these detainees were tortured in an effort to elicit a confession in support of the government’s unfounded claims, but nine of them died in custody. We do know that despite torture and the assurances from the highest officials that the detainees were dangerous and violent, as of July 12, 2016, 90 percent of the detainees have been released without charges. Only 76 remain, and apparently there is no evidence that can be used to charge them. Apparently, they are being held only in order to save the US government from being 100 percent wrong. Being 90 percent wrong is close enough for government work. See: en.wikipedia.org... and projects.nytimes.com...

Do you remember those photos of the torture of the Abu Ghraib prisoners? As horrifying as the photos are, they are the mild part. Others photos were not released. The photos reveal more than torture. The photos reveal the extreme pleasure that the US soldiers got from torturing the prisoners. They were having the time of their life abusing other humans!


What is most upsetting about GITMO is that we have had the leaks to prove the horrible crimes against humanity going on at the hands of our government and military, for Christ's sake we have the pictures.... and what do the steeple do, absolutely nothing. He shows how cowardice is the root of problems in this country. We have the audacity to scream about "American Exceptionalism" when this is what it looks like.


In the past 15 years “the beacon of hope” has destroyed in whole or part seven countries–Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Syria. The “beacon of hope” has overthrown representative governments in Honduras, Ukraine, Egypt, Argentina, and Brazil, installing in their place right-wing crooks, and is working hard to overthrow the elected governments in Venezuela, Ecuador, and Bolivia. The extraordinary range of death and suffering for which “the beacon of hope” is responsible is unprecedented.


Now this should not really be a surprise. Anyone who has done even surface level of research into 9/11 and the project for the new American century, have come upon General Wesley Clark in the following video....



It is so painfully obvious how this S*** all works that I am still shocked that I am considered that dirty term a "conspiracy theorist", what the hell does that make the general!?


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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:47 PM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

Now lets take a look at his analysis of the future and what our great leaders are cooking up in terms of war with Russia and China...


As if this is not enough, “the beacon of hope” is now recklessly and irresponsibly threatening two nuclear powers–Russia and China–with military encirclement justified with the most blatant and transparent lies. We hear the propaganda 24/7. Even the “liberal” NPR specializes in telling lies about Russia. Is it hopeful to convince two nuclear powers that the US is preparing to attack?


I have never quite understood how people can look at Russia or China and believe them to be the aggressors. NATO has been poking the bear since is was created by the global elite to further their insane agenda.

Now we have this election where we will be forced to have Hillary as our "commander in chief" as if they actually make any decisions. What I will say about this psychopath is that she is not simply spreading doom porn, she full intends to make sure it happens and all of the sick f**** at the top will revel in the decimation of the population as they roll out their next level tech to control whoever the hell is left.

This will be world war three friends


According to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy adviser, she would order a “full reeview” of the Syrian war as her first task upon taking office, with an eye toward a “reset” of the conflict to shift focus toward attacking the Assad government and imposing regime change.
Clinton’s aide, former Pentagon chief of staff Jeremy Bash, insisted that Assad’s was a “murderous regime” and that US foreign policy would be to escalate both the war against ISIS and this new war against Assad to get both “out of there” at the same time.


I honestly believe that the social engineers of this world, orchestrating top level psychological warfare against the masses must laugh at how easy it is to keep us divided and plugged into their elementary level "entertainment".

We can literally only pray that their plans do not come to fruition. The writing has been on the wall for decades and yet people continue to believe that the two party system of slavery has the answer we need.

As I said in the beginning of this thread, it makes me sick.

Time for a cold one!



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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:53 PM
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Just another attempt to stir up Anti-US and/or anti-Western sentiments.
Dropping what ? You do understand the concept of "depleted uranium" . yes ? And why it is used ? No way "dropping it".

Torture - I disagree. But in most countries they just threaten with beheading or the like. Until they get the info. Then they do it anyway . Makes em feel good about themselves

China or Russia aggressors ? What , no way , right ? Read some freakin world history books. Ya need em

Forced to have Hillary as Commander in Chief ? Who or what forced us ? And , I could think of a lot worse.

WW3 . How many times has this been said and never , never has happened. (Or most likely , never will) 30 years of the Cold War and every second someone made a statement this was going to turn hot and become WW3.

NATO and the US has been pokin the bear. - always worked both ways.

See my first statement




posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

I still find it amusing. When Bush was president GITMO was the evilest thing on earth. Obama is in charge and its barely in the news. It's like the MSM and protesters forgot about it and all of a sudden, their morals and values changes....all in a cold day in January 2009.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:58 PM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

YEAH ,SOP BUSH policies from Hillary, who thinks FAR less of the military I might add,to micro-manage another war,it fits her MO.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Spoken like a true victim of cognitive dissonance, no one needs to try and drive up anti us/ anti west sentiment, our actions do that for us.

I do understand that it is used as a tank buster, how convenient... are you familiar with the results?

Fallujah Babies and Depleted Uranium



One of the authors of the study, Chemist Chris Busby, said that the Fallujah health crisis represented "the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied".

Dr Mozghan Savabieasfahani is an environmental toxicologist based in Ann Arbor, Michigan. She is the author of more than two dozen peer reviewed articles, most of which deal with the health impact of toxicants and war pollutants. Her research now focuses on war pollution and the rising epidemic of birth defects in Iraqi cities.

"After bombardment, the targeted population will often remain in the ruins of their contaminated homes, or in buildings where metal exposure will continue," Dr Savabieasfahani told Al Jazeera.


So you believe Trump is actually an option and not just a psy-op doing a masterful job dividing the masses and bringing about extreme nationalism like we have seen literally all over the globe?

It is a page in the globalists hand book my friend.

China and Russia are no angels, they have done horrendous things in the past.

Do I really need to bring up the history of American Imperialism?

You will have Hillary as your president and she will be sparking the coming world war.

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posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: thinline

It truly is fascinating how the people acquiesce as soon as they are possible able to.

Looking at what is coming down the pipeline with a Hillary presidency I fear the same docile servitude when it comes to global politics.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:05 AM
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Well they amongst others refused to join the war crime commission for a reason.
Guess we know why now.
Hope you guys complain about this the USA should be above torture (it doesn't work anyhow) kids? Sigh...



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

No argument from me except it is not the government...it is the underground government that no one, not any president...no one can do anything about.

And yes the US...thanks to 'the underground gov' is the most warmongering and cruel entity on the earth.

Enough said.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:08 AM
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originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Gothmog

Spoken like a champ!

So you believe Trump is actually an option and not just a psy-op doing a masterful job dividing the masses and bringing about extreme nationalism like we have seen literally all over the globe?

It is a page in the globalists hand book my friend.

China and Russia are no angels, they have done horrendous things in the past.

Do I really need to bring up the history of American Imperialism?

You will have Hillary as your president and she will be sparking the coming world war.



One question put down of your entire reply:
Where and when did I mention Trump ?
Epic Fail on your part.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:10 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

When you make this statement....


Forced to have Hillary as Commander in Chief ? Who or what forced us ? And , I could think of a lot worse.


You are implying that we have a choice... no?

How would that not be Trump?

Given the level of corruption this cycle has shown, you are truly proud to be an American to not realize that you do not have a choice and your democracy died a long time ago!


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posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: liveandlearn
a reply to: elementalgrove

No argument from me except it is not the government...it is the underground government that no one, not any president...no one can do anything about.

And yes the US...thanks to 'the underground gov' is the most warmongering and cruel entity on the earth.

Enough said.


Aye you are correct, however all of those members of congress/senate/potus/scotus that are complicit with said underground government whether through bribery or coercion, they are just as guilty as the shadow government in my book.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:15 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

We were told that Saddam was evil because he would rape, kill and torture Iraqis in Abu Gharib.

What did we do once we took over?

We raped, killed and tortured Iraqis in Abu Gharib.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:19 AM
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originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: elementalgrove

We were told that Saddam was evil because he would rape, kill and torture Iraqis in Abu Gharib.

What did we do once we took over?

We raped, killed and tortured Iraqis in Abu Gharib.


The hypocrisy is staggering my friend!

And all of this is without getting into black sites used across the globe by our infamous intelligence agencies...almost forgot the training of death squads through the globe as well!



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:33 AM
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originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Gothmog

When you make this statement....


Forced to have Hillary as Commander in Chief ? Who or what forced us ? And , I could think of a lot worse.


You are implying that we have a choice... no?

How would that not be Trump?

Given the level of corruption this cycle has shown, you are truly proud to be an American to not realize that you do not have a choice and your democracy died a long time ago!


Yes , I am truly proud to be a US citizen. And , yes we do have choices. The choices may be limited , but they are our choices to make. And I realize that not all countries get to choose.That is their fault.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

Americans are exceptional, however, our Government is not.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

Thanks for stating the truth


What we have been doing throughout the world is criminal to the highest degree and those in power will only be held accountable when we pick up the damn mirror and acknowledge the abuses being done in our name.

Good luck with that. Even at the war crimes trials in Nuremberg they pleaded not guilty. The US signed the Nuremberg accords to prevent what happened under the Nazis from happening ever again. The US government is in direct violation of these accords signed by all the nations participating.


According to Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy adviser, she would order a “full reeview” of the Syrian war as her first task upon taking office, with an eye toward a “reset” of the conflict to shift focus toward attacking the Assad government and imposing regime change.
Clinton’s aide, former Pentagon chief of staff Jeremy Bash, insisted that Assad’s was a “murderous regime” and that US foreign policy would be to escalate both the war against ISIS and this new war against Assad to get both “out of there” at the same time.

I said that in a thread earlier and got the typical 'no proof' replies from the warmongers. What she intends is to jump start the war in Syria, to invoke 'regime change' (Coup), declare no fly zones and no bombing zones and that is WWIII with Russia.

Anther Russian helicopter was just shot down over Syria. Note that no US aircraft are.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: thinline
a reply to: elementalgrove

I still find it amusing. When Bush was president GITMO was the evilest thing on earth. Obama is in charge and its barely in the news. It's like the MSM and protesters forgot about it and all of a sudden, their morals and values changes....all in a cold day in January 2009.


They didn't forget, they just omit it. Graphic...



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 02:02 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

How exactly is the government not a reflection of ourselves?

I am sorry, as I do believe that our founding fathers had some amazingly revolutionary ideas.

However that does not negate the sheer and utter death that this country was founded upon, built upon, and currently being expanded upon.

If we had a leg to stand on in the argument of being "exceptional" we would be following the words of Jefferson and blood would have been shed long ago to nourish the tree of liberty.

What we currently have is acuquiecense to an elite class of rulers who have been manipulating the minds of the masses for centuries.

It is epitomized in the form of reality this thread is about.



posted on Aug, 2 2016 @ 02:06 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

It is funny that you bring up the Nuremberg.

When one looks to the formation of Nazi Germany, one does not have to look to far to find the very same American elite class of Eugenicists funding the third reich.

It only makes sense that they would give lip service to demanding that this would never happen again, while recruiting all of their top scientists, putting them at the cutting edge of tech evolution with their infinite amount of funds for their '"research" and then we see the controlling mechanisms owning the medical/military/energy industries.



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