Another chicken or egg thread. Or, is it?

This may end up being way off.
But. Here goes.
To solve this age old question. I would like to take it back further in time, to before birds.
Amphibians and reptiles are very closely linked.
www.wisegeek.org...
Amphibians are mainly spawn bearers. Spawn just being lots of unprotected embryonic sacs in a clump.
Eggs are protected embryonic sacs in a hard shell.
Is spawn then the link between live birth and egg? I think it might be.
Without the same need for water. Reptiles developed a way to protect their embryo's in a hard shell.
IMO. Reptiles are a transition from amphibians to land dwellers.And. Spawn being the transition from live birth to egg.
So my answer to chicken or egg is chicken. Because egg laying came before birds.

a reply to: blackcrowe

Well actually we are also eggs, we just grow on the inside..

a reply to: tikbalang

We are actually mammals. Not eggs.
Embryo is the common denominator.

More importantly... how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

a reply to: blackcrowe

the single cell resulting from the fertilization of the female egg cell by the male sperm cell.

originally posted by: rexsblues
More importantly... how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

A fair bit I'd say.

In response to the title thread, well, to get to the other side, I would suggest.

Since only a mature chicken has what is needed to produce the shell of the egg...
And a chicken can't just become out of thin air and is instead brought forth from inside the egg which only a mature chicken can create...
Well that means the Chicken had to come first...
Unless you can prove a chicken can become without an egg that is...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

The point is reptiles came first. Predating chickens/birds.

a reply to: blackcrowe

No the point is Chickens are not reptiles...
And the answer to the question of which came first was answered by me and there is no other answer...
The Chicken came first...
And that will remain true if you are evolutionist or creationist...
And it's true because only a mature chicken has what is needed to create the shell of a chicken egg...
So sorry but a reptile nor anything else ever laid a chicken egg... Ever...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

I've already said the answer to the question is chicken too.
But egg layers came before birds.
The mechanism for the need and therefore responsible for eggs was reptiles.

a reply to: 5StarOracle

But the question doesn't specify whether or not it's a chicken egg. It just states egg.

So the very simple and obvious answer is egg, because dinosaurs were laying eggs long before chickens were around.

The egg came before the chicken.

Source

As long as you can admit that nothing else has ever been able to produce a chicken egg because only a mature chicken can create the shell of a chicken egg...
Then we are all good...
And it does not matter what laid eggs first because nothing ever laid the first chicken egg but a chicken...
It's a rather large argument against evolution...
You can keep dismissing what I am saying... but you don't realize I'm really dismissing what has been said...

a reply to: watchitburn

But amphibians didn't leave their water dependent domain and just turn into a T-rex.

a reply to: blackcrowe

That's not relevant.

Chicken or egg is an age old question.
You know what it implies.
I'm saying it's not right.
Hence in the title it clearly says "or is it".
I'm more than prepared to be wrong.
But taking things out of context to throw back at me just shows your immaturity and a lack of respect.
If you have nothing relevant to say. Good or bad.
Don't bother replying to my thread.

originally posted by: blackcrowe
A couple of links here to stop the dinosaur argument.
Amphibians pre date dinosaurs.
The Dino Directory - When did dinosaurs live? - Natural ...
www.nhm.ac.uk...
www.weirdfacts.com...
cgee.hamline.edu...

a reply to: blackcrowe

For there to be an egg, there must be a chicken. So, chicken.

a reply to: blackcrowe

ive seen dinosaurs with feathers on Jurassic Park, are they chickens or dinosaurs?

a reply to: blackcrowe

It is a paradox because the question is malformed.

What it has wrong is that it separates the chicken and the egg.

The chicken and the egg are one.

The first chicken egg was the first chicken. The first chicken was the first chicken egg.

Even if we say the first chickens were divinely created, the egg is still them - it was a member of their body no less than their wings, or any other member of their body.