MANDELA EFFECT - I just discovered a jaw dropping change

a reply to: TerryDon79

Correct.

a reply to: TheMaxHeadroomIncident

Think about the statistical probability associated with that. Not only is Person A shifted to Timeline B, but Person A in Timeline B just so happens to also be the same person shifted to Timeline A.

Statistically we would see multiple Person A's in Timeline B.

a reply to: raymundoko

For you to infer I said memory is always wrong shows you are grasping at straws.

I didn't infer that you said that. I was pointing out the logical fallacy in saying that the fact that memory can be faulty is proof that the ME is caused by faulty memory.

a reply to: raymundoko

Think about the statistical probability associated with that. Not only is Person A shifted to Timeline B, but Person A in Timeline B just so happens to also be the same person shifted to Timeline A.

I don't know the circumstances under which such a thing would happen. Do you?

Statistically we would see multiple Person A's in Timeline B.

Because?

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: Greggers

However, several philosophical arguments can be made against it, one of them being Occam's Razor.

And it would still be inconclusive.

Scientifically and empirically inclusive, yes, as I clearly stated.

And the inverse (arguments for ME), not likely to be particularly convincing to most people, primarily because there simply isn't an argument to be made that will appeal either to any common sense of human logic, nor to any preconceived biases that might make one disregard such logic.

The acceptance of various miracles as fact has the latter going for it. ME is more akin to claiming your socks are missing because of invisible sock gnomes.

a reply to: Greggers

Well at least scientists are in fact researching the possibility of paralel universe or dimensions. Actually, according to CERN other dimensions exist. I know shifting between them is even a step further though.

But I don't see any scientific research into sock gnomes.

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: Greggers

Well at least scientists are in fact researching the possibility of paralel universe or dimensions. Actually, according to CERN other dimensions exist. I know shifting between them is even a step further though.

But I don't see any scientific research into sock gnomes.

CERN has not proven that other dimensions exist.

String Theory, which at present is also unfalsifiable, claims that tiny SUBATOMIC dimensions exist, the number of which depends upon the version of the theory.

While it's possible that research into multiple dimensions might one day yield something that is FALSIFIABLE, so far it has not.

The term "not even wrong" was used to describe ME in this thread (or possibly another one). Famously, it was also used to describe string theory, as there is currently no way to prove whether it is right or wrong, so -- like ME -- it can't even be investigated thoroughly enough to know how it might -- if ever-- be proven false, even theoretically

Don't get me wrong -- I actually find String Theory fascinating. It certainly has support in mathematics, and is of interest to particle physicists. There is certainly much more to string theory than there is to ME.

For the sake of completeness, I will also mention Many Worlds Theory and other highly theoretical (borderline science-fiction) notions that are the natural result of people considering possibilities beyond the limits of what can currently be known emprically, but these have even less empirical support than string theory, which is to say practically none.

originally posted by: TheMaxHeadroomIncident
a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Maybe they shift to timeline A?

For the sake of argument.

Perhaps. Perhaps Timeline C. Or maybe it's random. It may stand to reason that as someone shifts into a timeline not their own, they push the other person out, so to speak. Initiates a shift for that person. Which, in turn, would force another shift, and another. Consider all the people in the world that would be experiencing this. So many shifts would be taking place all day, every day. Who knows at what rate? On the individual level, you would be waiting for your next turn to shift. It will happen. It has to. One shift initiates another, initiates another, initiates another, initiates another.

And how quickly do these shifts happen? Do you immediately shift? Or is it a slower process? Because I would think that if it was instantaneous or near enough so, then the individual would be constantly shifting. Which begs the question. When is there enough time to experience or recognize any changes? But perhaps it isn't quick like that.

What about the nature of these other timelines? Are there infinite possibilities? Could the outcome of my life be infinitely different from the one I am experiencing now? How similar or dissimilar are these other timelines to my own? Does it vary widely? For example. When I was a child, I wanted to be a marine biologist when I grew up. I love sharks see, and the oceans diverse forms of life. I didn't become one though, at least in this timeline. But is it possible that in another, I followed that dream? With so many timelines and potentials, anything could be possible.

But that doesn't help the Mandela Effect, in my opinion. Not much of the way I'm looking at this does. I would expect more suggestive evidence then what I have seen so far. I have some questions.

1. Where are the vastly different world timeline accounts?
Examples: 9/11 didn't happen. JFK lived. The Germans won WWII. Russia won the space race.
2. Where are the "I remember being a marine biologist yesterday" accounts?
With everybody shifting, situations like this should be happening. In one timeline the person followed a path different from the one he shifted to. Maybe John Doe has two daughters in one timeline but shifts to one where one of his two children was a boy. How come we don't here about accounts like these?
3. In your opinion, what is the best and/or most interesting things you have heard that could support the ME and why?
Other than your own. Genuinely curious.

In my opinion, if this is happening, then with diligent observation, a larger picture would start to emerge. Data on this timeline, and that timeline could be collected. A whole new frontier. Eventually things would get clearer. We would have names for various timelines we learn to recognize. We would all dread the day we shift over to any number of the timelines with a successful 3rd Reich. Hopefully cross are fingers we shift into the Utopia. Those may sound like extremes, but are they? Considering we are speaking about a plethora of possibilities.

And that is one of my points.

With all the shifting and possibilities, why is the best evidence so trivial?

And why so little of it?

Perhaps you see now why I was interested in considering the mechanics of such a phenomenon.

a reply to: FIFIGI

tnks for your drawing! it looks like you are very close to how it is now

a reply to: heineken

Or just how it is in general, across all time...

I'm trying hard to accept it is only faulty memory. I made this thread to help me out in this. If Mars was bigger that would have caught the attention of more people.

I feel sorry for not being able to remember Mars how it is now.

The problem is. Its not only Mars.

Our Position in the Milky Way - I clearly and vividly remember images showing us at the outer edge of our Galaxy. Never so close to the black hole.

Milky Way photographed from Earth - Capturing the spiral arm in a form of an arch freaks me out.

North Pole - Any suggestions how to dismiss I was only months ago looking at it from Google Earth.

Human Anatomy - This is also a big one I have hard time to swallow. I was recently developing heart beat sensor library in Java using an Arduino device. And apart from the fact that I knew my pulse position since childhood to be at the centre of my wrist little bit down, during the production I was counting my pulse to compare from there. And now its not there anymore.

Mars magnitude , stars formations, stars distances - I am wrong on this one too ? :/ this image of the pleiades for example makes wanna shout WTF IS GOING ON



I have a bond with the pleiades. Seeing from so close was something I always wished for.

It hurts a little when they say it is lack of education. Lets imagine a cave man looking at the pleiades which he always saw as a very far away cluster of stars, now much closer, also an uneducated cave man , with no science and data, will freak out.

I would like to put everything at rest. Any suggestions?

originally posted by: heineken
North Pole - Any suggestions how to dismiss I was only months ago looking at it from Google Earth.

The Arctic was always depicted as a white 'continent' just to teach people it's there. The Arctic is still there, just as it was, smaller because of the melting caused by global warming, but still there. It's just been taken off the maps (off Google Earth) as it is not land, nothing else, nothing mysterious.

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: heineken
North Pole - Any suggestions how to dismiss I was only months ago looking at it from Google Earth.

The Arctic was always depicted as a white 'continent' just to teach people it's there. The Arctic is still there, just as it was, smaller because of the melting caused by global warming, but still there. It's just been taken off the maps (off Google Earth) as it is not land, nothing else, nothing mysterious.

Hi again!

It's just been taken off the maps (off Google Earth)

I would like to correct you about this. The north pole was never showed on google earth.

2007

Where is the Arctic? Why are both poles blurred?

2012

Why doesn't google maps show the north pole?

a reply to: heineken

The arctic being visible on google maps was an add-on.

Explained.

a reply to: TerryDon79

what do you mean by add-on? you have to install it?

a reply to: heineken

The north pole was never showed on google earth.

Lol, I get it, you only 'remember' looking at it on Google Earth........

a reply to: heineken

It came with some of the downloadable versions of google maps. Not all of them.

If you had Google maps, but not the add-on, you had to install it separately. If you had the version with it built-in, it would install along with Google maps, so you wouldn't actually notice it being installed.

a reply to: TerryDon79

do you have a trace of this add-on? I can't find any. Or how I can install it?

originally posted by: Agartha
a reply to: heineken

The north pole was never showed on google earth.

Lol, I get it, you only 'remember' looking at it on Google Earth........

sorry but I don't think I get you.

originally posted by: heineken
a reply to: TerryDon79

do you have a trace of this add-on? I can't find any. Or how I can install it?

it's not from this timeline. You will have to find a mini black hole created by cern, then say the magic words when you transverse the continuum. (if you say the wrong words, you may end up in a timeline where beer has no taste or effect, so don't # up.