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Are stories of people's souls burning their bodies from the inside out true or just hoaxes?

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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 12:53 PM
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And turning the body to ash in just a few minutes..

In a crematorium the body still takes about 2 and a half hours to burn to ash excluding bones and teeth. So to burn a body to ash in just 5 minutes requires 5 million BTU's per minute which would mean the temperature would be over 15,000-20,000 k degrees. That's hotter than any chemical fire (hottest chemical flame being about 4 k degrees) or biological 'fire' (metabolism cuts out at about 50 c since the enzymes get destroyed)

There was also a case I read about where this happened to twin sisters in a field who were a mile apart from each other. When the parents got to them to help, all that was left were just a pile of ashes.

This also never happens to animals. So we've ruled out this being chemical or biological or physical (since it'd happen to animals too). And what non physical thing that causes this, only humans have it and not animals.

It also almost seems like some kind of implosion given that the heat doesn't seem to radiate to the surroundings.
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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:03 PM
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Just a hoax. Did you know that there exists millions of bugs both inside and outside of your body? It's true.
Many of them we could not live without but what are those other bugs doing in there, I wonder?
Do they have souls. If they do, then you are infested with millions of souls.






posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:06 PM
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gonna give any sources or naa?



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX
gonna give any sources or naa?


Sure.
www.newspapers.com...
(you don't have to pay to read the article despite what it says. Just scroll down and the raw text is there to read fully.)

ferewulf.freehostia.com...
(particularly Helen Conway who was seen alive minutes before she was found reduced to ashes)


What all four of these cases had in common? These people were reduced to ash in just minutes. No cigarette, ''wick effect'' (which takes over 7 hours to burn a body by the way) or even thermite could cause the energies and temperatures required to do that.
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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:28 PM
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I remember these stories appearing around the 80's if I'm correct, following every news clip relating to this phenomenon. While following these stories another one surfaced, and it was of interest not only because of it's content, but because it was in close proximity of where I lived at the time.

discovermagazine.com...

Granted it was not spontaneous combustion, it was of a similar Bizarre nature..... One wonders if the cause of combustion was chemical, or just a planetary anomaly of unknown characteristics. As was stated the temperatures necessary for that type of burn would fall into difficult to reach BTU's........ and likely burn much of the surrounding area no doubt just by convection combustion.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Plotus
I remember these stories appearing around the 80's if I'm correct, following every news clip relating to this phenomenon. While following these stories another one surfaced, and it was of interest not only because of it's content, but because it was in close proximity of where I lived at the time.

discovermagazine.com...

Granted it was not spontaneous combustion, it was of a similar Bizarre nature..... One wonders if the cause of combustion was chemical, or just a planetary anomaly of unknown characteristics. As was stated the temperatures necessary for that type of burn would fall into difficult to reach BTU's........ and likely burn much of the surrounding area no doubt just by convection combustion.



Do you think SHC is related to the soul ?

There was a comment from a firefighter who came across a case where this woman burned in 4 minutes...about 5 million BTU per minute. he said even if the room were filled with hydrogen fuel and burned it still could not have caused this. and there would not have been enough oxygen to burn so hot.

So it would suggest SHC is not actually 'combustion' though the flames appearing on the surface of the body are just a byproduct of massive energy suddenly being released and 'imploded'.
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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: 1MisterLeonard1

originally posted by: SaturnFX
gonna give any sources or naa?


Sure.
www.newspapers.com...
(you don't have to pay to read the article despite what it says. Just scroll down and the raw text is there to read fully.)

ferewulf.freehostia.com...
(particularly Helen Conway who was seen alive minutes before she was found reduced to ashes)


What all four of these cases had in common? These people were reduced to ash in just minutes. No cigarette, ''wick effect'' (which takes over 7 hours to burn a body by the way) or even thermite could cause the energies and temperatures required to do that.


Anomoly for Helen Conway.
best to not fill in questionmarks with religion though. could have been a weapon being tested. hard to determine cause when you only have the words of some people many decades ago. 100% speculation.

souls burning up...that isn't a reasonable assumption until you can quantify a soul.

Now, my brother is currently working on a house where a elderly woman smoker blew up..she was doing oxygen treatments while smoking and caught on fire, she ignited and eventually the oxygen tank itself caught on fire and blew up..blowing a hole into the side of the house.
But initially she herself caught on fire due to a oxygen rich body, lungs filled with fire and she combusted. dont know if any of these people listed were doing oxygen treatment, just saying perhaps there is just a overlooked bit of science going on here.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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Your fixation on this issue and the many threads you have created for it are approaching an all-time ATS record. Haven't you had one or more threads removed for this constant repetition?

There is no such thing as souls causing bodies to burn. Please seek professional help. You're not going to get any different answers this time that you have not gotten in all your previous threads on this subject.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:36 PM
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One commenter responded "Sounds like an episode of house md"



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: 1MisterLeonard1

originally posted by: SaturnFX
gonna give any sources or naa?


Sure.
www.newspapers.com...
(you don't have to pay to read the article despite what it says. Just scroll down and the raw text is there to read fully.)

ferewulf.freehostia.com...
(particularly Helen Conway who was seen alive minutes before she was found reduced to ashes)


What all four of these cases had in common? These people were reduced to ash in just minutes. No cigarette, ''wick effect'' (which takes over 7 hours to burn a body by the way) or even thermite could cause the energies and temperatures required to do that.


Anomoly for Helen Conway.
best to not fill in questionmarks with religion though. could have been a weapon being tested. hard to determine cause when you only have the words of some people many decades ago. 100% speculation.

souls burning up...that isn't a reasonable assumption until you can quantify a soul.

Now, my brother is currently working on a house where a elderly woman smoker blew up..she was doing oxygen treatments while smoking and caught on fire, she ignited and eventually the oxygen tank itself caught on fire and blew up..blowing a hole into the side of the house.
But initially she herself caught on fire due to a oxygen rich body, lungs filled with fire and she combusted. dont know if any of these people listed were doing oxygen treatment, just saying perhaps there is just a overlooked bit of science going on here.


There's been records of cases many centuries ago. also it'd draw much less suspicion if you tested it on animals.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
Your fixation on this issue and the many threads you have created for it are approaching an all-time ATS record. Haven't you had one or more threads removed for this constant repetition?

There is no such thing as souls causing bodies to burn. Please seek professional help. You're not going to get any different answers this time that you have not gotten in all your previous threads on this subject.


The evidence is right at your fingertips. There's also people who have survived this and live in fear every single day.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:41 PM
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I have no answer. One pictures it in that context like the scene in 'Raiders of the lost Ark' where all the bad guys were consumed. I certainly believe if the Creator had the wish to do so, well then.. ? what could explain it? I'm the audience here...
a reply to: 1MisterLeonard1



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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Are stories of people's souls burning their bodies from the inside out true or just hoaxes?

What stories ? , even if there are stories yes they are a hoax , Spontaneous Human Combustion is a thing of fiction not fact.
While there are pictures of burned bodies there is no evidence that anyone has ever spontaneously combusted.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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originally posted by: 1MisterLeonard1
There's been records of cases many centuries ago. also it'd draw much less suspicion if you tested it on animals.

Alien implants going on the fritz

same implausable conclusion, but with a slight degree of founding in our material universe. there is no proof of a soul, and if there is a soul, the assumption on the hypothesis is that it doesn't even exist in our universe in such a way..it is more the person behind the computer and we are the avatar on screen it is controlling...the avatar on screen isn't gonna explode if the person on the computer has a itch.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: 1MisterLeonard1




Are stories of people's souls burning their bodies from the inside out true or just hoaxes?

What stories ? , even if there are stories yes they are a hoax , Spontaneous Human Combustion is a thing of fiction not fact.
While there are pictures of burned bodies there is no evidence that anyone has ever spontaneously combusted.



So all those survivors who went on TV risking ridicule and all those investigators and fire authorities, as well as news journalists, are all in on some huge conspiracy to try and convince us SHC is real? Why?



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 02:03 PM
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originally posted by: 1MisterLeonard1

originally posted by: schuyler
Your fixation on this issue and the many threads you have created for it are approaching an all-time ATS record. Haven't you had one or more threads removed for this constant repetition?

There is no such thing as souls causing bodies to burn. Please seek professional help. You're not going to get any different answers this time that you have not gotten in all your previous threads on this subject.


The evidence is right at your fingertips. There's also people who have survived this and live in fear every single day.


Excuse me, but you ASKED the question in your title: Truth or hoax? People are telling you: Hoax, and you're arguing with them. If you are already certain of your answer, why are you asking it yet again? And what do you hope to gain by asking the same thing in thread after thread after thread? Do you really think you're going to get different answers THIS time? You're becoming a pest.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 02:04 PM
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I wasn't aware that it was possible to survive Spontaneous Human Combustion , if it were a thing , which it isn't.
You can read wonderful things on the internet and in print media but there is no scientific evidence that anyone has ever spontaneously combusted.

If SHC is a real phenomenon, why doesn't it happen more often? There are 7 billion people in the world, and yet we don't see reports of people bursting into flame while walking down the street. No one has ever been seen, filmed or videotaped (for example, on a surveillance camera) suddenly bursting into flames. It always happens to a single person left alone near a source of ignition.
www.livescience.com...


Souls are ethereal , they cannot generate heat.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: 1MisterLeonard1

originally posted by: schuyler
Your fixation on this issue and the many threads you have created for it are approaching an all-time ATS record. Haven't you had one or more threads removed for this constant repetition?

There is no such thing as souls causing bodies to burn. Please seek professional help. You're not going to get any different answers this time that you have not gotten in all your previous threads on this subject.


The evidence is right at your fingertips. There's also people who have survived this and live in fear every single day.


Excuse me, but you ASKED the question in your title: Truth or hoax? People are telling you: Hoax, and you're arguing with them. If you are already certain of your answer, why are you asking it yet again? And what do you hope to gain by asking the same thing in thread after thread after thread? Do you really think you're going to get different answers THIS time? You're becoming a pest.


Sorry but this just freaks me the hell out



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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Yes and no. Spontaneous combustion is a real occurance and has been documented over 100 years with research and photographs.

But it hasnt been determined HOW it happens leaving surrounding items untouched by the astronomically high temperature needed to consume a human being.

Forget the soul angle. Thats a whole other thing. Personally, I dont think that has anything to do with S.C.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: 1MisterLeonard1

Yes and no. Spontaneous combustion is a real occurance and has been documented over 100 years with research and photographs.

But it hasnt been determined HOW it happens leaving surrounding items untouched by the astronomically high temperature needed to consume a human being.

Forget the soul angle. Thats a whole other thing. Personally, I dont think that has anything to do with S.C.



Yet we can rule out that the cause is biological or chemical.




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