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It's Time to Repeal the Second Amendment

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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

No. It's not time to REPEAL the 2nd Amendment. But, maybe it could use a little tweaking.

I'm sure that in 1776, a well regulated militia was absolutely necessary, but in 2016, we have a well regulated military. As far the right of the people to overthrow the government, it won't happen with semi-automatic rifles and machine guns. It just won't!

"The right to bare arms shall no be infringed" isn't realistic anymore. I don't think that even the staunchest of 2nd Amercement supporters want to see guns in the hands of convicted violent felons, for example.







There are already laws in place dealing with felons and firearms. Many are not enforced. For instance, just the act of trying to buy a gun, while being a felon, is illegal, yet noone has ever been charged for that. Most of the dead thugs from police shootings have at least 1 illegal firearm charge on their record, which usually is "supposed" to be a mandatory 5 year prison term in many states. The person rarely faces the penalty to the max.


Which is why we should simplify it. You get caught with a gun, you serve 10-30 years.


A stolen gun or a violent career felon in possession, sure.
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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: windword
I don't think that even the staunchest of 2nd Amercement supporters want to see guns in the hands of convicted violent felons, for example.

Actually, I do have a problem with this. And maybe, just maybe, if society understood letting convicted violent felons out of jail meant that they could legally acquire a firearm for their next tirade ... they wouldn't be so damn willing to let them out of prison to begin with.

If a convicted felon has paid what he owes ... s/he's done paying. Anything else is BS.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: tadaman

No, I didn't forget self defense. I just don't think that it's an issue within the 2nd Amendment that needs tweaking. Just the militia thing......

And, I was just making a point about how we already "regulate" gun ownership, for example with convicted violent felons.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

You got it all wrong, I guess you forget that is not only guns what is killing people in America, statistics do not lie, if we are to make a safe haven for all people guns will not be the first one in the list to ban for killing people

As usual nice thread, good issue but it doesn't address the entire issue of human preservation as a whole.



If we can save almost 100 people per day. That's a huge win in my book.

Gun Violence By The Numbers

51 women are shot to death by intimate parters every month.

There are 12,000 gun murders every year and despite fall crime rates, that number has barely nudged.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

No. It's not time to REPEAL the 2nd Amendment. But, maybe it could use a little tweaking.

I'm sure that in 1776, a well regulated militia was absolutely necessary, but in 2016, we have a well regulated military. As far the right of the people to overthrow the government, it won't happen with semi-automatic rifles and machine guns. It just won't!

"The right to bare arms shall no be infringed" isn't realistic anymore. I don't think that even the staunchest of 2nd Amercement supporters want to see guns in the hands of convicted violent felons, for example.







There are already laws in place dealing with felons and firearms. Many are not enforced. For instance, just the act of trying to buy a gun, while being a felon, is illegal, yet noone has ever been charged for that. Most of the dead thugs from police shootings have at least 1 illegal firearm charge on their record, which usually is "supposed" to be a mandatory 5 year prison term in many states. The person rarely faces the penalty to the max.


Which is why we should simplify it. You get caught with a gun, you serve 10-30 years.


A stolen gun or a violent career felon in possession, sure.


No. Anybody caught with a firearm should be found guilty of a Class A felony. Showing intent to harm or kill another human being.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

I would not have guessed you for an out of the closet racist. If requiring an ID to vote is racist then requiring a citizen to purchase a product from a private company must also be racist. It is also a tax by another name.
How do you propose to enforce such a law? Who would you have enforce such a law? You would have to repeal the Fourth Amendment too. Sounds like you want someone else to fight a civil war to protect your feelings.




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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

In a life and death situation ...I'd rather have a gun at the end of my hand.... than a telephone to 911.

The trigger will respond quicker than the cops can



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

You got it all wrong, I guess you forget that is not only guns what is killing people in America, statistics do not lie, if we are to make a safe haven for all people guns will not be the first one in the list to ban for killing people

As usual nice thread, good issue but it doesn't address the entire issue of human preservation as a whole.



If we can save almost 100 people per day. That's a huge win in my book.

Gun Violence By The Numbers

51 women are shot to death by intimate parters every month.

There are 12,000 gun murders every year and despite fall crime rates, that number has barely nudged.



What about the guy in Japan who just offed 19 people with a knife? Your logic makes no sense being that more people are killed every year by fists, knives, hammers, etc.. ALSO, WHO are the ones committing the vast majority of these gun murders? It sure isn't the working class American citizen. 6% of the population doing it, is a culture issue, not a gun issue.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

I think we need to ban prescription drugs first and see how many we save a day.

Then we need to ban illegal drugs and see how much that add and then guns will no even be relevant.

Then let no forget car crashes, mal practice and so on.

More and more guns will be heading to the bottom of the list.

You have to see the whole issue of how to preserve populations rather than going after just one issue.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

I think we need to ban prescription drugs first and see how many we save a day.


HA! Drugs designed to cure disease should be banned? Get real.



Then we need to ban illegal drugs and see how much that add and then guns will no even be relevant.


We need to re-frame the US drug policy for sure. However, that is outside the scope of this topic though.



Then let no forget car crashes, mal practice and so on.


Yes! Ban accidents.



More and more guns will be heading to the bottom of the list.

You have to see the whole issue of how to preserve populations rather than going after just one issue.



Just ban the weapons of war. They have no place in a civilized society.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

no its not.

Also, considering the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, its questionable to push this agenda any further. You guys tried, and the people spoke.

Respect the wishes of the DEMOCRACY which spoke.

You guys are everyday more like antagonistic enemies rather than fellow citizens.


That last line. Isn't it interesting that the same people who want your guns, are more than willing to use their guns to get yours...BUT...they hate violence.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

said every racist worried about slave and colonial uprisings.

www.firearmsandliberty.com...

Now its class uprisings making those in ivory towers shake in fear.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

I have an uncle who was murdered by someone using a sawed off shotgun at point blank range when I was a teenager. Years later, I who had never even touched a firearm, was advised by my local police department to get a gun ASAP because "they knew who my ex was, and they couldn`t be with me 27/7". They even advised me on how to use it if necessary.

Because of that, I learned that I didn`t have to live in fear- I had a fighting chance to survive and protect myself and my children. That was worth more to me than anything you or anyone else can imagine, unless they have been in a similar situation.

Even though I never had to be in the situation to be forced to use a gun, I can`t imagine not having the option and the right to protect myself in any way necessary. I even relocated half a country away to protect myself, but if that hadn`t been enough I am more thankful than you can imagine that I had the right granted by the Second Amendment.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti OK, a couple of things here. Your "grey on grey" text needs major improvement. How about black on white? Now back to the subject at hand. Repeal the 2nd? Do you think that changes anything?



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti
This is America and I have the Right to Bear Arms. You also have the right to your opinion, but your words don't remove my rights.



Woman saves boyfriend with gun

Woman saves herself from attackers



Why would you take these people's lives? If they didn't have guns they might not be alive....but they are cowards to you????

And since you are SOOOOO stuck on accidents:




Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.



Road Crash Statistics - Asirt



asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics


You ignored me on your last thread.....move somewhere where you have no rights and STOP trying to take mine!!!





posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

Just to clarify.

The RIGHT to self protection comes from "God".

If you dont believe in "God", it is an inherent or naturally occurring right to every human being on this planet.

Government does not grant us rights.

The 2nd Amendment does not grant us rights.

The 2nd Amendment (and the Constitution) only tries to protect this inherent right from those who would try to take it away from us.

You can burn the Constitution.

That does nothing to change the fact that every person is ENTITLED to the RIGHT of self protection, to be safe in one's person and property.

And until we invent a hand-held molecular destabilizer which can instantly melt people, that right takes the form of a firearm.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

You got it all wrong, I guess you forget that is not only guns what is killing people in America, statistics do not lie, if we are to make a safe haven for all people guns will not be the first one in the list to ban for killing people

As usual nice thread, good issue but it doesn't address the entire issue of human preservation as a whole.



If we can save almost 100 people per day. That's a huge win in my book.

Gun Violence By The Numbers

51 women are shot to death by intimate parters every month.

There are 12,000 gun murders every year and despite fall crime rates, that number has barely nudged.



What about the guy in Japan who just offed 19 people with a knife? Your logic makes no sense being that more people are killed every year by fists, knives, hammers, etc.. ALSO, WHO are the ones committing the vast majority of these gun murders? It sure isn't the working class American citizen. 6% of the population doing it, is a culture issue, not a gun issue.


You sure are grasping at straws using a knife incident in Japan. At least it wasn't a gun and more people were killed.
News Flash

Violent crime is almost a non-issue in Japan.




posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: thesungod

When you need to use a pro gun site called gun facts, you may want to look at the actual facts. Comparing the US to the UK is nonsensical. Don't be so desperate, it doesn't become you.

I can travel anywhere in a 50 - 250 mile (at least) radius of my home which is in a quite well built up area and not encounter anyone with a gun, police or civilian unless it's possibly at an airport and I don't feel in any way at risk - what's your issue? I have no idea who a pro gun site surveyed, but I don't feel any less safe than five years ago and what if I did? People weren't in any way less controlled from a firearm perspective five years ago so the comment is again, nonsensical.

Fairly pathetic link if you ask me, but ask around, that barrel can always be scraped a little more.

America would never give up all its guns, but then it will never actually use them for the purpose of the 2nd amendment which was to provide a controlled militia to protect a free state - in other words, a lot of people use the second as a crutch but don't actually conform to what it was there to actually provide.

Grow a pair and live with it, stop being so defensive. The rest of the world really doesn't care that much apart from when you share your opinions on a global site where we all have the right to reply.



posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

Since you don't READ links.. BOB OWENS:Let me explain, gun grabbers, how your confiscatory fantasy plays out. Let us imagine for a moment that a sweeping gun control bill similar to the one currently suggested is passed by the House and Senate, and signed into law by a contemptuous President.

Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.

Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.

After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government’s invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.

Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds, but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

Ironically, while the gun grab was intended to keep citizens from preserving their liberties with medium-powered weapons, it completely ignored the longer-ranged rifles perfect for shooting at ranges far beyond what a security detail can protect, and suppressed .22LR weapons proven deadly in urban sniping in Europe and Asia.

While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.

The 535 members of the House and Senate in both parties that allowed such a law to pass would largely be on their own; the Secret Service is too small to protect all of them and their families, the Capitol Police too unskilled, and competent private security not particularly interested in working against their own best interests at any price. The elites will be steadily whittled down, and if they can not be reached directly, the targets will become their staffers, spouses, children, and grandchildren. Grandstanding media figures loyal to the regime would die in droves, executed as enemies of the Republic.

You can expect congressional staffs to disintegrate with just a few shootings, and expect elected officials themselves to resign well before a quarter of their number are eliminated, leaving us with a boxed-in executive, his cabinet loyalists trapped in the same win, die, or flee the country circumstance, military regime loyalists, and whatever State Governors who desire to risk their necks as well.

Here, the President will doubtlessly order the activation of National Guard units and the regular military to impose martial law, setting the largest and most powerful military in the world against its own people. Unfortunately, the tighter the President clinches his tyrannical fist, the more rebels he makes.

Military commands and federal agencies will be whittled down as servicemen and agents will desert or defect. Some may leave as individuals, others may join the Rebellion in squad and larger-sized units with all their weapons, tactics, skills, and insider intelligence. The regime will be unable to trust its own people, and because they cannot trust them, they will lose more in a vicious cycle of collapse.

Some of these defectors will be true “operators,” with the skills and background to turn ragtag militia cells into the kind of forces that decimate loyalist troops, allowing them no rest and no respite, striking them when they are away from their most potent weapons. Military vehicles are formidable, but they are thirsty beasts, in terms of fuel, ammo, time, and maintenance. Tanks and bombers are formidable only when they have gas, guns, and can be maintained. In a war without a front, logistics are incredibly easy to destroy, and mechanics and supply clerks are not particularly adept at defending themselves.

Eventually, the government will turn upon itself. The President will be captured or perhaps killed by his own protectors. A dictatorship will form in the vacuum.

If we’re lucky, the United States of America, or whatever amalgam results, will again try to rebuild. If we’re very lucky, the victors will reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Just as likely though, we’ll face fractious civil wars fought over issues we’ve not begun to fathom, and a much diminished state or states will result, perhaps guided by foreign interests.

It will not be pretty. There will be no “winners,” and perhaps hundreds of thousands to millions of dead.

Yet, this is the future we face if the power-mad among us are not soundly defeated at the ballot box before they affect more “change” than we, the People, are willing to surrender to would-be tyrants.


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posted on Aug, 1 2016 @ 11:41 AM
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The problem is that (TRIGGER WARNING) facts don't support anti-2A arguments.

Maybe you should invest more of your time into wondering why you care about this issue, and who made you think this is the issue you should spend your time thinking about.



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