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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: superman2012
Your opinion is opposed to the constitution to begin with. You, not having the rights protected by the constitution, have no understanding of what is being given up, therefore it has no value to you. It does have value to those who are protected by the constitution. It in no way makes your opinion of less worth, it explains why you hold no value in gun ownership and refer to gun owners as cowards.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: uncommitted
That's not strictly true in the case of the 2nd now is it?
It is 'strictly true' for the entire document, Madison et. al. were very clear on this point.
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
originally posted by: Shamrock6
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Finally! Take all the guns!
Use your brain not a gun.
All the guns except the ones that belong to "them" right?
I said all the guns.
I love you
Harry
'Take all the guns.'
Do tell who would be doing the 'taking'.
originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: shooterbrody
Conversely, what part of "well regulated" do people not get? You don't get to pick and choose what words of the 2nd amendment have meaning and which ones don't.
originally posted by: uncommitted
...but the amendment grants the rights to a citizen, i.e., what they can do.
The fact that the majority of amendments happened long after the deaths of the authors of the constitution kind of invalidates any total confirmation that they would have seen each amendment as being true to the spirit of what they originally wrote - that's the job of very well paid people who argue that is the case.
originally posted by: EternalShadow
originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: shooterbrody
Conversely, what part of "well regulated" do people not get? You don't get to pick and choose what words of the 2nd amendment have meaning and which ones don't.
Okay let's take a look at the wording:
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
originally posted by: Shamrock6
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Finally! Take all the guns!
Use your brain not a gun.
All the guns except the ones that belong to "them" right?
I said all the guns.
I love you
Harry
'Take all the guns.'
Do tell who would be doing the 'taking'.
You would be a good citizen and comply with the unarmed Peace officer when the amendment is repealed.
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Amendments can be repealed. It has happened before...
originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: superman2012
Waiting for the US to catch up (in gun control) with the rest of the civilized world so we can stop reading about the massacres in clubs, schools, malls, etc.
There's a big part of this that people who hold views similar to yours just don't get. The population in the US is comprised of a very large segments of its population that are anything BUT civilized. Would you want to walk down the streets of Beirut in the 1980's unarmed, or rather, would you have left Beirut.
Problem with the US is..........most of us law abiding citizens can't leave, all the while the feral population of gang bangers, nuts, druggies, etc. circulate through the population wreaking havoc and death. The members of MS 13 won't be affected by draconian gun laws. Neither will the Crips or the Bloods, or the Mexican Mafia. This isn't pre-jihad France or Sweden. In point of fact, the US each day comes more to resemble South Africa.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
a reply to: uncommitted
The phrase "reasonable regulation" is totally the opposite of "shall not be infringed". So please explain to me how you justify that thought while maintaining the protections afforded by the amendment? I honestly want to know.
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
originally posted by: Shamrock6
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Finally! Take all the guns!
Use your brain not a gun.
All the guns except the ones that belong to "them" right?
I said all the guns.
I love you
Harry
'Take all the guns.'
Do tell who would be doing the 'taking'.
You would be a good citizen and comply with the unarmed Peace officer when the amendment is repealed.
This would be where the plan degrades into a fairy tale.
It is getting worse and worse in the US and everyone seems to want more and more guns.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: uncommitted
...but the amendment grants the rights to a citizen, i.e., what they can do.
Incorrect. The Constitution presupposes that we already have these unalienable rights. It places a strict limit on what the government can do to curtail those rights.
The fact that the majority of amendments happened long after the deaths of the authors of the constitution kind of invalidates any total confirmation that they would have seen each amendment as being true to the spirit of what they originally wrote - that's the job of very well paid people who argue that is the case.
If that were the case they would not have incorporated the mechanism to alter the Constitution.
originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
originally posted by: EternalShadow
originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
a reply to: shooterbrody
Conversely, what part of "well regulated" do people not get? You don't get to pick and choose what words of the 2nd amendment have meaning and which ones don't.
Okay let's take a look at the wording:
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!
Amendments can be repealed. It has happened before...
originally posted by: joemoe
a reply to: superman2012
It is getting worse and worse in the US and everyone seems to want more and more guns.
Do you have proof to this? The FBI stats suggest violent crime including gun crime have been decreasing for decades. It is now at one of it lowest point in decades even as gun in circulation is at the most ever.