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originally posted by: superman2012
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: superman2012
Which part is failed?
People protested and exposed the surveillance state to the extent the patriot act was debated in congress and some reforms were made.
As much as some people dislike what he did, Snowden and others like him expose where citizen rights and govt oppression meet.
People protest every time any gun control is suggested.
As long as people resist govt oppression how is there a fail?
Lives less restricted by government.
If you know of a place in the US where you can live free on the land, take as much water as you want, farm whatever you want to grow, raise whatever animals you want, etc, etc, etc, let me know.
I don't know why people cause such a big stink over weapons when your right to live free is gone.
originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: SudoNim
I DON'T want an American where the people are too stupid to arm themselves with knowledge; just don't take my rights.
There was a time when the American people knew we had a constitution and stood by it. Now they wait to see that their government tells them to think. SMH Pitiful.
I don't want anyone to "Tow the same line"
Just leave my rights alone. I'm not coming into your house taking what's yours. But that is the difference in me & you. YOU feel the need to dictate to me.
Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution, the nation's frame of government, may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment or amendments and subsequent ratification. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a convention of states called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures.[
originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: SudoNim
These are rights granted to ALL American people. I'm sorry you don't care about them.
I don't pick a special group to cater to. Maybe if other people looked at things that way we would be a lot better off. Why are you bringing up women's rights? Do men not also have the right to bear arms?
And you can't just decide to change amendments.
Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution, the nation's frame of government, may be altered. Altering the Constitution consists of proposing an amendment or amendments and subsequent ratification. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a convention of states called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures.[
Educate yourself....knowledge is a powerful thing.
We have laws in place that keep people from stripping others of their rights!!!
And you can't just decide to change amendments.
Article Five of the United States Constitution describes the process whereby the Constitution, the nation's frame of government, may be altered.[
originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: SudoNim
You can play word games all you like.
YOU know exactly what I was saying. I will NOT engage.
These are the rights that have been given to me! Killary want to take them away and I will do everything in MY power to stop her!
I am done with you!
originally posted by: Martin75
Are the amendments part of the constitution? YES!
It is the constitution that gives me the right to vote, the right to bear arms, etc.
I am arguing because YOU just want to strip me of the 2nd Amendment which affords me this right.
Hillary has said that she will work to change the 1st & 2nd amendments. Again, I will do everything in MY power to stop her.
And NO I will NOT calm down. And if you are drinking before 11am maybe you have way more issues than we can deal with here.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
originally posted by: superman2012
originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: superman2012
Which part is failed?
People protested and exposed the surveillance state to the extent the patriot act was debated in congress and some reforms were made.
As much as some people dislike what he did, Snowden and others like him expose where citizen rights and govt oppression meet.
People protest every time any gun control is suggested.
As long as people resist govt oppression how is there a fail?
Lives less restricted by government.
If you know of a place in the US where you can live free on the land, take as much water as you want, farm whatever you want to grow, raise whatever animals you want, etc, etc, etc, let me know.
I don't know why people cause such a big stink over weapons when your right to live free is gone.
Alaska is still less restricted.
Alot of areas in the midwest that are less populated are less restricted.
Do you have the freedom in your country to live free on the land?
The all or nothing approach you seem to be pushing is bs and is a strawman for gun control. If you allow any restriction in any area then you shouldn't complain about gun control. Guns(arms) are the one product important enough to the founders to be put in the constitution. To me it is about the freedom to defend ones self, which is not a right the founders had in England, as only people who were government approved were allowed to own arms.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: superman2012
Has the on-going fighting in Afghanistan escaped your notice? In my lifetime, Vietnam comes to mind as well. Let's go to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. On going revolutions in Africa.
Historically? The Peninsula campaign during the Napoleonic Wars in Spain. Most any place Rome invaded...Britain, Palestine, and Germania.
An insurrection, or Civil War here in the U.S. is something to be avoided at most any cost, not any cost, but most. You honestly believe that several million torqued off folks couldn't, with a little effort, make things difficult for a federal govt as incompetent as this one?
Revolutionaries, 'cause that's what they'll be, hide among the masses. All the drones in the world will have a bit of a problem weeding them out. All the wire taps in the world won't do any good if the insurgents don't use electronic media. The conclusion of an insurrection is hardly as forgone a conclusion as so many of you seem to think.
Why do you think the govt. spends so much time and money on trying to prevent just such an occurrence? 'cause the govt. doesn't always win.
originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: superman2012
You think that that was an ACTUAL coup attempt? That was a power mongering dick head getting rid of his opposition before a coup could occur...
Jaden