Hillary: Kaine is ALL IN on ABORTION, don’t worry!! Kaine: NO I’M NOT!

Classic "he said she said" statements by both Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine.

Kaine is a Roman Catholic and may not be as "pro abortion" as many would hope.

Apparently Hillary was talking about repealing the Hyde Amendment (no federal money for abortion) and said something about Kaine supporting a repeal.

But Kaine didn't really say when he was asked.

Repealing the Hyde Amendment is part of the Democrat Platform this year.

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Hillary: Kaine is ALL IN on ABORTION, don’t worry!! Kaine: NO I’M NOT!

It’s hard to notice how poorly run the Hillary Clinton campaign is run when we have a Trumpster fire on the other side, but they really keep screwing up. In this case, the Clinton camp went out and re-assured their bloodthirsty abortion-loving crowd that Kaine would deny his Catholic faith and bow before the organ-strewn altar of abortion. At issue is the Hyde Amendment about publicly funded abortion.

And he disagrees with Clinton after her camp said he did

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Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine seemingly contradicted the assertion, made by Hillary Clinton’s campaign and his own spokesperson, that he would work with the nominee on restoring Medicaid funding for abortion.

Clinton has come out strongly in favor of repealing the Hyde Amendment, which bans public funding for abortion except in cases of rape, incest and life endangerment. The current Democratic platform contains the strongest language yet against Hyde.

a reply to: xuenchen

Nobody is "pro-abortion" and we're all "pro-life." Tim Kaine is "pro-choice".

Tim Kaine says he’s pro-life at home, pro-choice at work

Democratic vice-presidential nominee Sen. Tim Kaine drew a sharp line between his Catholic faith and his pro-choice political stance, as he defended himself against criticism from the party’s left that he is too conservative. The Virginia Democrat said that he has “always supported Roe v. Wade,” the U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion based on privacy rights. “I think the last thing we need is a government that intrudes upon the decision-making of women — and men, too — when it comes to matters of whether it’s abortion rights [or] contraception,” Mr. Kaine said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Just like Joe Biden and Nacy Pelosi, who are Catholic as well, Tim Kaine will not let his faith legislate laws or force his personal beliefs on the American people.

Tim Kaine has a 100% rating from NARAL. Nuff said.

Kaine is a Catholic and therefore his personal choice is pro life.
His faith also expresses the idea to render unto Caesar what is Caesars.

He is required to uphold the laws as outlined by his own religion.
There is no more to it than that.
The same thing that allows his son to carry a rifle and kill for his country.

a reply to: xuenchen

Abortion is an ugly primitive practice.

But it's the law, as disgusting as it is.

Hillary sucks for so many other reasons that this one is minor by comparison.

a reply to: windword

Or science.

Look two gentecally different life forms are entering an abortion clinic. Oh look, only one came out.

Remember

2-1= choice

Since the 1 who gets subtracted doesn't have a voice
It's only a bully who supports the strong over the week.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Kaine is a Catholic and therefore his personal choice is pro life.
His faith also expresses the idea to render unto Caesar what is Caesars.

He is required to uphold the laws as outlined by his own religion.
There is no more to it than that.
The same thing that allows his son to carry a rifle and kill for his country.

Huh??
I was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic school my whole life, and that is the first time I have ever heard that bs.
There is nothing in the Catholic religion that forces people to obey laws that are sinful.
There is nothing in the religion itself that talks about obeying laws at all, other than the laws of God and the Church.

Kaine is a hypocrite and not a true Catholic.
A true Catholic would not support abortion.

Kaine seems like a nice guy, but this should cause some concern for people who consider this a core issue. With Hillary's medical problems, he's highly likely to be president at some point if she is elected.

a reply to: BlueAjah

There is nothing in the Catholic religion that forces people to obey laws that are sinful.

Nobody is forcing Tim Kaine to have an abortion. Conversely, Tim Kaine isn't forcing anyone, who doesn't want to, to give birth.

The Catholic Abortion Paradox Why are Catholic women in the U.S. more likely to have an abortion than their Protestant counterparts?

a reply to: Sillyolme

THIS is the position of the Catholic church on abortion laws, and it has nothing to do with what you are implying:

The abortion decisions of the U.S. Supreme Court must be reversed. For it is impossible, as our Holy Father reminds us, to further the common good "without acknowledging and defending the right to life, upon which all the other inalienable rights of individuals are founded and from which they develop" (The Gospel of Life, no. 101).

Our own commitment will not waver. Our efforts will not cease. We will speak out on behalf of the sanctity of life wherever and whenever it is threatened.

We hold in high esteem all who proclaim and serve the Gospel of life. Through their peaceful activism, education, prayer, and service, they witness to God's truth and embody our Lord's command to love one another as he loves us. We assure them of our continuing prayers. And we renew our appeal to all in the Catholic community to join with them and with us in building a "culture of life."

May the "people of life" constantly grow in number and may a new culture of love and solidarity develop for the true good of the whole of human society.

– Pope John Paul II, The Gospel of Life, no. 101

www.usccb.org...

The Catholic Church has always condemned abortion as a grave evil. Christian writers from the first-century author of the Didache to Pope John Paul II in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae ("The Gospel of Life") have maintained that the Bible forbids abortion, just as it forbids murder. This tract will provide some examples of this consistent witness from the writings of the Fathers of the Church.
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Thus, in 1995 Pope John Paul II declared that the Church’s teaching on abortion "is unchanged and unchangeable. Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his successors . . . I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. This doctrine is based upon the natural law and upon the written word of God, is transmitted by the Church’s tradition and taught by the ordinary and universal magisterium. No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself, and proclaimed by the Church" (Evangelium Vitae 62).

etc., including many quotes from the Bible condemning murder of the unborn.


www.catholic.com...

a reply to: windword

By condoning abortion, or using his position to further its usage, he has turned his back on God and on the Catholic Church.
Kaine is an apostate and should not be claiming to be Catholic in any way.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Does that apply to the millions of Catholic women who've actually had abortions, too?

a reply to: windword

Yes.
They will rot in hell.

Abortion is the most evil kind of murder.

If a woman is Catholic or not, if she has murdered her own child, she is damned.

a reply to: BlueAjah

He's not condoning it. It amounts to the same as paying taxes or obeying the law. It is required that Catholics obey the laws of man. He is not condoning but he must support the law. He is not required to have a child aborted to do that. He only had to allow a woman to make her choice. Kind of like God does with free will.
Do not vilify this very good man .

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: BlueAjah

He's not condoning it. It amounts to the same as paying taxes or obeying the law. It is required that Catholics obey the laws of man. He is not condoning but he must support the law. He is not required to have a child aborted to do that. He only had to allow a woman to make her choice. Kind of like God does with free will.
Do not vilify this very good man .

No, Catholics do not have to obey a law that condones murder of innocent children.

Paying taxes has nothing to do with religion. If you don't pay taxes, the Catholic church is not going to condemn you or say that you sinned. It's silly to compare the two.

Please stop saying that the Catholic church requires people to obey the laws of man. That is an outright LIE.

Kaine did not have to condone these laws. He should use his position to reverse them to the best of his ability. Either that, or stop claiming to be Catholic.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Is this a thread about Kaines stance or a thread about abortion?

a reply to: xuenchen

The needle is stuck in groove again xuenchen.

We get it; you are anti left-morals and good governance are two different things these days which is why I won't support neither candidates.

I may have had a child one day but I will never know and it hurts me to think what he or she could've become, but on the other side if you have the womb you have the choice.

a reply to: BlueAjah

The Bible DOES command Christians to follow the laws of the land and to honor government officials.

Romans 13
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

etc., including many quotes from the Bible condemning murder of the unborn.

Please, cite just one!

The Bible actually condones abortion!

Number 5:22
May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries." "'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

a reply to: BlueAjah

Yes they do. As soldiers they most certainly do.

His party will never reverse a woman's choice . He still wants to be part of the party that cares about people and want to make things better so he will never switch parties or support the party of hate and fear in any way.

Don't expect it.

Your opinion won't matter when he is before his God.
Man can only superficially damn someone. You can't be the mind of God.

a reply to: windword

Nobody is pro-abortion?

Speak for yourself.

Plenty of democrats are very pro-abortion as evidenced by the enthusiastic applause @0:50 in this video from the DNC convention when this ghoul proudly brags of her abortion.