Starving Venezuelans Break Into Zoo And Eat Equally Starving Animals

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ketsuko

I'm not suggesting it's perfect, Venezuala would never have been a shining example..when I think of success I think of the good standard of living in some of the northern European countries. Canada has socialist leaning's.

Thats just it. some socialism is needed, some capitalism is needed. the two work together well to create a net so nobody falls too far, but at the same time, that net is created by the top.

Finding the right hybrid mix for the perfect socio-capitalistic society is and has been the debate here in the west for over 100 years now..obviously you go too far to socialism, you end up like ven..go too hard to cap and you end up like some warlord controlled african region or dystopian megacorp sci-fi. So, where is the happy medium. I do like some northern european models, although not sure how well it would integrate in america..but its worth having discussions over facts of outcome per each model..merits, pros and cons, etc.

the problem is in the debate, you have too many radicals, demanding any help is some leninist socialism, or any capitalism is corporate slavery. Hard to ignore them as they are always soo damn loud..shooting guns or banging on drums for attention

a reply to: infolurker

Coming soon to a neighborhood and/or zoo near you.

By design.

a reply to: infolurker

My god, what is it with these leftest socialist governments that they will double down on stupid and let their populations starve instead of admitting their policies are idiotic and revert their dumb-ass laws? Appears the next step is to force people to work on State-run farms (slavery). Yes, the Socialists are fine with slavery now.

My God, the stupid hurts! Please pray for the "people" of Venezuela.

Cold War anti communist rhetoric is thick up in here these days. And just as 'stupid'.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I bet they stopped caring when the cartels had a gun pointed at their head.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

Venezuela government is a cartel, the army is the biggest cartel in the region

Local news never suggested it was eaten, a black stallion... symbol of power... Santeria and other weird rituals in the country...

Profanation of tombs are on the rise too, and no one can say they are eating those bones

Chavez and his people were really into black magic, witches and other scams in general

a reply to: Indigent

I watched an expose about the cartels; some "refineries" have more power supply than an entire village.

Miles of power cables for dryers to dry coca leaves in the middle of a jungle, my spidey sense is tingling...

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: ketsuko

I'm not suggesting it's perfect, Venezuala would never have been a shining example..when I think of success I think of the good standard of living in some of the northern European countries. Canada has socialist leaning's.

Canada is predominantly a socialist nation, the US is a republic, but the are both the same when it comes to "most" policies and laws. That is because they are controlled by the same people who control their non-democratic oligarchies. Canada has health care and a not so bad social safety net and ridiculous taxes. The US has some socialized health care, guns and lower taxes, we'll a little lower than Canada since the ACA came into play.

All nations are different, yet the same. First world or third world, the unseen hand moves society in a direction of its choosing. The oligarchs don't view time the same way we little people do, they can experiment with societal construction/destruction and engineering for hundreds of years. Part of their legacy passed down through the generations is the fulfilment of the plan and finding a societal construct where their spawn rule forever, and all the serfs are easily manageable. They are almost there it appears.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: infolurker

In the context of this thread and whats going on in Venezuela, I just wanted to take a moment to point out the following:

In preparation of a complete collapse, Venezuela banned civilian ownership of firearms.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko

Socialism has always been synonymous with slavery.

no it hasn't....cotton plantation owners of the old south were the opposite of socialism.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Very good point. Thanks for bringing that up. You know your country is in trouble once they start talking about taking guns away from civilians. When they finally start coming around to collect them, it's never a pretty sight.

They'll put money into military and security for the elite before they help the citizenry with better legislation.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko

Socialism has always been synonymous with slavery.

no it hasn't....cotton plantation owners of the old south were the opposite of socialism.

Actually, I think it's a perfect example of socialism.

a reply to: intrptr

So, where is a single example of Communism lastingly working anywhere on the planet?

There is not a single example . . .

except . . . perhaps . . . in the fantasies between your ears.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ketsuko

Socialism has always been synonymous with slavery.

no it hasn't....cotton plantation owners of the old south were the opposite of socialism.

Actually, I think it's a perfect example of socialism.

You claim socialism is slavery and then use a slave owners quote to argue the point.


Did that go over your own head or are you drinking again DB.

originally posted by: ketsuko
I'm surprised no one has posted this..

Venezuela is getting ready to impose forced farm labor for its citizens for 60-day periods to try to address the food shortage.

In a vaguely-worded decree, Venezuelan officials indicated that public and private sector employees could be forced to work in the country's fields for at least 60-day periods, which may be extended "if circumstances merit."

"Trying to tackle Venezuela's severe food shortages by forcing people to work the fields is like trying to fix a broken leg with a band aid," Erika Guevara Rosas, Americas' Director at Amnesty International, said in a statement.

I could see this happening in America to replace foodstamps and unemployment.
For those able to work but unwilling to do so I wouldn't have a problem with putting them there.
Time for the free rides to end - also for the very rich who store their treasure in offshore banks.
We need to invade those islands and liberate that money back in to the economy.
Estimates range from 7 to 20 Trillion $ just sitting in places like the Caymans.
Nobody needs those kind of cash reserves except the people it was stolen from.
Yes TARP bailouts, pro-corporate tax laws, monopolies etc.

ETA: If they want to invade Venezuela watch for the news story about the people eating the pandas, yes the adorable pandas! Meerkats, baby gazelles and lemurs too.....but wait, there's a hidden Pokémon character hidden at the zoo!

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I've thought about it as a means of replacing illegal immigrant labor, but if they are earning their assistance, is it forced labor? Of course, I would rather see programs like be used to gear toward earning experience that would help them get gainful employment that would enable them to get off assistance.

But if they are determined not to go there, then they really should do something if they are able bodied.

People who are physically unable, mentally unable, or too old or young, of course, have an excuse.

All these people crying socialism tell us where your non socialist paradise exists on earth?

Maybe the US?


Germany?


Scandinavia?


Were is any place on earth your conservative paradise we can copy

IT DOESN’T EXIST!

It’s all in your head

a reply to: ketsuko


Ah the illegal immigrant question, there is no question about it.
It costs the US tens if not hundreds of billions each year in increased costs to social welfare programs, social security, education (English tutors, increased class size), infrastructure decay - roads, bridges, buses, trains, medical costs of uninsured (reason so many hospitals closed their ERs or the entire hospital due to non-paying patients), money sent out of country, cost of crimes and incarceration, reduced wages due to unfair competition, inflated rents, taxes not paid etc etc etc.

This isn't an issue of "humanity" it's economics 101 and the average American is paying out the rear end to cover them and wall street. Talk about getting crushed from both ends.

The problem is that a few GREEDY capitalists want to hog all the resources for themselves AND THEY BRIBE THE POLITICANS TO MAINTAIN THIS SYSTEM


Ironically in this modern, so-called “civilized” world we live in there’s more suffering and pain than any time on earth.

Why?


Because a few oligarch disaster capitalists want to hog all the resources.


They refuse to devote our technology and modern science to eliminating world poverty


Children are born today doomed to poverty and suffering because people want to maintain this system of oligarchial GREED

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Old news. Since the Cayman Islands became compliant with the White Papers (U.S. via the UK), everything is reported to the IRS. EVERYTHING. No more numbered accounts. No more skips through Cayman that touch down briefly to be surcharged and then passed merrily along. All U.S. and UK, Canadian citizens (probably others, but those are the ones I'm aware of) must report all their earnings, bank accounts, signatories on accounts and wire transfers to the IRS, regardless of how long they've been in the Cayman Islands. They have the banks and other financial institutions requiring these provisos prior to any movement of money or opening accounts.

Ten years ago, yeah. It was reported that hundreds of accounts were frozen, billions of dollars seized, shell companies investigated and subsequently closed. Drug money, terrorist money. I'm not privy to that intel, other than what was reported in the papers.

I'm not suggesting that there are no hinky money shuffles -- we'd be fools to think so -- just that they're probably not exceeding the order of those in say, Nevada or South Dakota.