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Hillary Takes Huge Lead in new Poll

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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Trump was boned either way with the Khan man. Best thing to had done was Ignore him personally and talk to other gold star families.



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 10:18 AM
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Of course Hillary being ahead is because it's rigged. Wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that Donald Trump insults veterans, women, disabled people and in general acts like he's trying to appeal to the lowest intellectual group in the country. You people just slay me. Lol. It must be the "Liberal Media", which of course is owned by rich conservatives.



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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Y'all do know these polls don't really mean anything, right?.

Not that I care either way, I entertain thoughts of what would happen if the supposed leaders met their demise in an accident of some sort or another.

...Maybe even a simple heart attack or event that rendered them incapable of doing the job they are trying to get...

What would happen then?.



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 10:41 AM
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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Polls really aren't reliable in THIS election.

For starters, many folks are embarrassed to admit who they'll vote for (whether Hillary or Trump), so likely to lie to pollsters (especially if not alone and with others with different views). Or simply not answer them at all.

Many Trump voters may not admit it to pollsters, but vote for him once the curtain is drawn.

Most sources are especially biased one way or the other this election...even ones generally thought to be impartial. You can see it in their sample data, how it skews the results.

Many former Bernie supporters will stay home, but may still give an answer to pollsters, skewing it that way.

SO much can change in this, like more Wikileaks for Clinton, Trump saying more dumb things, etc.

So, so many factors, that polls are basically worthless for it.



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: Gazrok
Polls really aren't reliable in THIS election.

For starters, many folks are embarrassed to admit who they'll vote for (whether Hillary or Trump), so likely to lie to pollsters (especially if not alone and with others with different views). Or simply not answer them at all.

Many Trump voters may not admit it to pollsters, but vote for him once the curtain is drawn.

Most sources are especially biased one way or the other this election...even ones generally thought to be impartial. You can see it in their sample data, how it skews the results.

Many former Bernie supporters will stay home, but may still give an answer to pollsters, skewing it that way.

SO much can change in this, like more Wikileaks for Clinton, Trump saying more dumb things, etc.

So, so many factors, that polls are basically worthless for it.


Nobody knows who you are when you take a poll and they proved accurate all through primaries. And again, if the public poll numbers were all being faked then both the GOPs pollsters and the Trump campaign pollsters would be releasing the real results with stats to back them up.

If Trump had good numbers the GOP would stay beside him, instead we have another GOP member of Congress abandoning him to join the other side. That tells you the internal numbers are just as bad or worse then the public.

Also the fact that the DNC sees the key battleground states as secure they are moving money and resources to grab some traditional red states to make this thing a crushing defeat.

None of that happens of the internal polling is not showing the same thing as the public polls. Every election people bash the polls when they do not agree with the results yet the polls have always proven to be very accurate.



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Gazrok
Polls really aren't reliable in THIS election.

For starters, many folks are embarrassed to admit who they'll vote for (whether Hillary or Trump), so likely to lie to pollsters (especially if not alone and with others with different views). Or simply not answer them at all.

Many Trump voters may not admit it to pollsters, but vote for him once the curtain is drawn.

Most sources are especially biased one way or the other this election...even ones generally thought to be impartial. You can see it in their sample data, how it skews the results.

Many former Bernie supporters will stay home, but may still give an answer to pollsters, skewing it that way.

SO much can change in this, like more Wikileaks for Clinton, Trump saying more dumb things, etc.

So, so many factors, that polls are basically worthless for it.


Nobody knows who you are when you take a poll and they proved accurate all through primaries. And again, if the public poll numbers were all being faked then both the GOPs pollsters and the Trump campaign pollsters would be releasing the real results with stats to back them up.

If Trump had good numbers the GOP would stay beside him, instead we have another GOP member of Congress abandoning him to join the other side. That tells you the internal numbers are just as bad or worse then the public.

Also the fact that the DNC sees the key battleground states as secure they are moving money and resources to grab some traditional red states to make this thing a crushing defeat.

None of that happens of the internal polling is not showing the same thing as the public polls. Every election people bash the polls when they do not agree with the results yet the polls have always proven to be very accurate.


In which case they were accurate a week or so ago when Trump had a lead. A week is a long time in politics.
Clinton's lead is already narrowing - Reuters has her up by 4, YouGov by 3. Reuters is the latest poll.
I hope Hillary is switching to red states and thinks the battleground states are won - that would be a mistake.

edit on 4/8/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Y'all do know these polls don't really mean anything, right?.

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Here's how polls work....

They are straight up accurate if they are in your favor.....but rigged if they aren't.



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Gazrok
Polls really aren't reliable in THIS election.

For starters, many folks are embarrassed to admit who they'll vote for (whether Hillary or Trump), so likely to lie to pollsters (especially if not alone and with others with different views). Or simply not answer them at all.

Many Trump voters may not admit it to pollsters, but vote for him once the curtain is drawn.

Most sources are especially biased one way or the other this election...even ones generally thought to be impartial. You can see it in their sample data, how it skews the results.

Many former Bernie supporters will stay home, but may still give an answer to pollsters, skewing it that way.

SO much can change in this, like more Wikileaks for Clinton, Trump saying more dumb things, etc.

So, so many factors, that polls are basically worthless for it.


Nobody knows who you are when you take a poll and they proved accurate all through primaries. And again, if the public poll numbers were all being faked then both the GOPs pollsters and the Trump campaign pollsters would be releasing the real results with stats to back them up.

If Trump had good numbers the GOP would stay beside him, instead we have another GOP member of Congress abandoning him to join the other side. That tells you the internal numbers are just as bad or worse then the public.

Also the fact that the DNC sees the key battleground states as secure they are moving money and resources to grab some traditional red states to make this thing a crushing defeat.

None of that happens of the internal polling is not showing the same thing as the public polls. Every election people bash the polls when they do not agree with the results yet the polls have always proven to be very accurate.


In which case they were accurate a week or so ago when Trump had a lead. A week is a long time in politics.
Clinton's lead is already narrowing - Reuters has her up by 4, YouGov by 3. Reuters is the latest poll.
I hope Hillary is switching to red states and thinks the battleground states are won - that would be a mistake.


Polls week to week can skew, the Conventions gave Trump his bump and the closest he has been in since the start of the primary's but, then Clinton got her convention bounce and shot back past Trump again. Now that polls the include Trumps disaster with the Gold Star families Clinton's lead has grown again. In the three battle ground states Trump's campaign says he needs to win, Clinton has a 15 point lead in New Hampshire, 9 point lead in Michigan, and a 13 point lead in Pennsylvania, a 6 point lead in FL. These are states she had lead Trump almost exclusively since the start of the primaries. Trump is polling weak in several red states so the DNC is going to hit him there. Even if they do not take them, Trump has to use money and resources, something he has less of, to secure them. And he desperately needs focus on the battle ground states to at least become competitive.

Right now the only thing that could save Trump is some incredible debate performances where he does not act crazy and come across as sane, leader who can argue issues. of course his advisers have been trying to make him act like that for months and failed and Trump seems a bit afraid of the debates so who knows if they will even happen. Or if he will even be in the race by then. What he is in now is a spiral, as his numbers drop so his GOP allies and voters. As those allies and voters leave his numbers go down more.

The convention and the weeks after it are when most Americans get into the campaign and chose sides. That is why polling numbers shoot up. The problem for Trump is he took the most important weeks of his campaign a chose to fight with Veterans, Fire Marshall's and other Republicans. Why? Maybe he is stupid, maybe he a plant. maybe he is losing his mind, maybe he throwing the race. Whatever the reason, he handed the Clinton a massive advantage and made winning nearly impossible.



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Gazrok
Polls really aren't reliable in THIS election.

For starters, many folks are embarrassed to admit who they'll vote for (whether Hillary or Trump), so likely to lie to pollsters (especially if not alone and with others with different views). Or simply not answer them at all.

Many Trump voters may not admit it to pollsters, but vote for him once the curtain is drawn.

Most sources are especially biased one way or the other this election...even ones generally thought to be impartial. You can see it in their sample data, how it skews the results.

Many former Bernie supporters will stay home, but may still give an answer to pollsters, skewing it that way.

SO much can change in this, like more Wikileaks for Clinton, Trump saying more dumb things, etc.

So, so many factors, that polls are basically worthless for it.


Nobody knows who you are when you take a poll and they proved accurate all through primaries. And again, if the public poll numbers were all being faked then both the GOPs pollsters and the Trump campaign pollsters would be releasing the real results with stats to back them up.

If Trump had good numbers the GOP would stay beside him, instead we have another GOP member of Congress abandoning him to join the other side. That tells you the internal numbers are just as bad or worse then the public.

Also the fact that the DNC sees the key battleground states as secure they are moving money and resources to grab some traditional red states to make this thing a crushing defeat.

None of that happens of the internal polling is not showing the same thing as the public polls. Every election people bash the polls when they do not agree with the results yet the polls have always proven to be very accurate.


In which case they were accurate a week or so ago when Trump had a lead. A week is a long time in politics.
Clinton's lead is already narrowing - Reuters has her up by 4, YouGov by 3. Reuters is the latest poll.
I hope Hillary is switching to red states and thinks the battleground states are won - that would be a mistake.


Polls week to week can skew, the Conventions gave Trump his bump and the closest he has been in since the start of the primary's but, then Clinton got her convention bounce and shot back past Trump again. Now that polls the include Trumps disaster with the Gold Star families Clinton's lead has grown again. In the three battle ground states Trump's campaign says he needs to win, Clinton has a 15 point lead in New Hampshire, 9 point lead in Michigan, and a 13 point lead in Pennsylvania, a 6 point lead in FL. These are states she had lead Trump almost exclusively since the start of the primaries. Trump is polling weak in several red states so the DNC is going to hit him there. Even if they do not take them, Trump has to use money and resources, something he has less of, to secure them. And he desperately needs focus on the battle ground states to at least become competitive.

Right now the only thing that could save Trump is some incredible debate performances where he does not act crazy and come across as sane, leader who can argue issues. of course his advisers have been trying to make him act like that for months and failed and Trump seems a bit afraid of the debates so who knows if they will even happen. Or if he will even be in the race by then. What he is in now is a spiral, as his numbers drop so his GOP allies and voters. As those allies and voters leave his numbers go down more.

The convention and the weeks after it are when most Americans get into the campaign and chose sides. That is why polling numbers shoot up. The problem for Trump is he took the most important weeks of his campaign a chose to fight with Veterans, Fire Marshall's and other Republicans. Why? Maybe he is stupid, maybe he a plant. maybe he is losing his mind, maybe he throwing the race. Whatever the reason, he handed the Clinton a massive advantage and made winning nearly impossible.


I know the sequence, but am saying it's a little silly to assume things stay as they are now with 3 months to go.

They really key states are Florida, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Florida : RCP average +2.7 Clinton
Pennsylvania : RCP average +8.0 Clinton
Ohio : RCP average +0.8 Clinton

There have been some very big swings... In PA for example, Trump was 14 points down and then went 2 up, all before the conventions.

There is plenty of time to close gaps. Assuming it's over at this point is foolish. The MSM will have you believe that, but they are campaigning for Clinton - they would say that.

Advantage Clinton, no doubt, but buying into the MSM hysteria is for fools.

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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 04:51 PM
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It was over before it ever began if you know who Hillary is in Prophecy you know she will be President and what happens after that.Futures so bright Americans will need welding goggles.She is an instrument of Gods judgement.
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: UKTruth

It was over before it ever began if you know who Hillary is in Prophecy you know she will be President and what happens after that.Futures so bright Americans will need welding goggles.She is an instrument of Gods judgement.


Please show us chapter and verse where Clinton is mentioned in the Bible. Do you believe Cruz is the anointed "one"?

Bold statements require at least some evidence.
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 06:44 PM
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That simple isn't true. Maybe you need to find a more honest class of people to associate with. Because TONS of people I know are voting Trump. Black, white, college-educated, not-college educated, asian...so I have no clue what you mean about this 'embarrassed' thing...

People are SO brainwashed by this 'politically correct' crap the media has been feeding us our whole lives. Remember there's a BIG difference between being polite and being 'politically correct'.
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: damwel
Of course Hillary being ahead is because it's rigged. Wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that Donald Trump insults veterans, women, disabled people and in general acts like he's trying to appeal to the lowest intellectual group in the country. You people just slay me. Lol. It must be the "Liberal Media", which of course is owned by rich conservatives.


Yea I know, I know. With all the really smart folks going in with someone that just got around federal indictment due to political strange and weird superpowers!
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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These poll results represent the effect the press still has on the minds of enough people. CBS for example ran 5 different negative Trump stories in a row before getting around to Hillary and only quoted Cain as saying that she would be the next president. Right out of "How to control the population 101".

Did any of you see the story today about Trump being strange over his daughters? Really? It was a headline on Yahoo but then there was not story after hitting link just unrelated info. Can anyone say mind games?



posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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posted on Aug, 4 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: Gazrok
Polls really aren't reliable in THIS election.

For starters, many folks are embarrassed to admit who they'll vote for (whether Hillary or Trump), so likely to lie to pollsters (especially if not alone and with others with different views). Or simply not answer them at all.

Many Trump voters may not admit it to pollsters, but vote for him once the curtain is drawn.

Most sources are especially biased one way or the other this election...even ones generally thought to be impartial. You can see it in their sample data, how it skews the results.

Many former Bernie supporters will stay home, but may still give an answer to pollsters, skewing it that way.

SO much can change in this, like more Wikileaks for Clinton, Trump saying more dumb things, etc.

So, so many factors, that polls are basically worthless for it.


Nobody knows who you are when you take a poll and they proved accurate all through primaries. And again, if the public poll numbers were all being faked then both the GOPs pollsters and the Trump campaign pollsters would be releasing the real results with stats to back them up.

If Trump had good numbers the GOP would stay beside him, instead we have another GOP member of Congress abandoning him to join the other side. That tells you the internal numbers are just as bad or worse then the public.

Also the fact that the DNC sees the key battleground states as secure they are moving money and resources to grab some traditional red states to make this thing a crushing defeat.

None of that happens of the internal polling is not showing the same thing as the public polls. Every election people bash the polls when they do not agree with the results yet the polls have always proven to be very accurate.


Actually, do you like, ever fact check what you say? Because the polls in New York, Arizona, California, Nevada, North Carolina, Massachusetts (and that's just off the top of my head) ALL had exit polls that according to statisticians were skewed to the actual voting results. So please don't spout things as facts when they're blatantly not true.

Any election that has diebold machines is incredibly open to corruption, as has been divulged in Congressional meetings, with the interview of a Florida programmer who was asked to hack one by a sitting Congressman, and there is also a woman who in her pHd research has proven anomalies in the Missouri elections, and has been thwarted at every turn, in trying to get access to the actual election data in that State, and has in fact proven the corruption in the state and courts system in the ways she's been denied access.

Polls are complete bs. Absolute. Complete. BS.



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