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VA spent $20M on art, while Vets die waiting

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posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 06:04 PM
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And it's not a Republican/Democrat thing. I can remember horror stories about the VA from as far back as Reagan. What does it take to make it right and pump more money into it, the right way. It really shouldn't be that hard to do.




posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 06:31 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Without a war it really isn't in the public eye.
When we go to one they don't increase the budget enough to take so many.
better to run a maintainance level budget that can absorb the amount when a war turns up.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
And it's not a Republican/Democrat thing. I can remember horror stories about the VA from as far back as Reagan. What does it take to make it right and pump more money into it, the right way. It really shouldn't be that hard to do.


This is absolutely right.

This is one place where I don't care what political hat is being worn, as long as the problems are fixed.

But they will never be fixed because the VA is now an institution onto itself and it is too lucrative to give up control.

Democrats and Republicans share equal responsibility for creating a culture of corruption and waste at the VA.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 08:21 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Somewhere between a quarter million dollar statue, and a run down shack lies the sweet spot of where our veterans health care should land.


If we as a nation were ensuring our citizens had access to health care, by default no vet would be going without. I do think it's shameful how we treat our vets but it's not a new problem, remember the Bonus Army? Even Revolutionary War vets were stiffed. It's not right, but it's not new either. I think it's a consequence of our system of government which exists very much in the moment. Because so many members of the government are so often in flux, those who are done favors through the military service of others are rarely in power when it comes time to repay the debt.

For example, for all his faults there is no doubt in my mind that W is extremely grateful to our military, more specifically those who are now vets that did his bidding in 2002-2006. But despite having been the most powerful person in our country he's unable to honor that debt now.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Yeah...the Bonus Army. Just about as disgraceful as anything to have ever happened. Their misfortune was being owed money by a government that was just about flat broke, and more willing to buy votes than repay debts. Even worse was how they were treated as they were run off.

Im usually very critical of our miliitary expenses...but thats something that just cuts right to the quick of the matter.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

The quarter million dollar rock art was for one state VA budget. That's two moon lighting specialist for one year easy. How much else is being wasted?



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Precisely. The VA needs dramatic changes. Top to bottom.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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I guess Helmick is some famous artist that made one of the sculptures, I couldn't find a picture of it. The rock sculpture that costs just under 500k looks to me like a big boulder, very cool but I think a big boulder out of nature would be just as cool and give the same overall look. Another 100k was spent on art consultants, that sure seems very wasteful.

I bet there are a lot of vets that are artists and interior decorators...I'd like to see them get the contracts to beautify the VA's facilities. Palo Alto is a wealthy area in CA, so maybe the city influenced such extravagant sculptures, IDK ? Sure doesn't seem like a good use of money for the vets....it is shameful.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: MountainLaurel

YEAH but it's only SCI FI so.....its no good.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: MountainLaurel

YEAH but it's only SCI FI so.....its no good.


You mean your a vet that makes Sci-Fi art that is no good ? lol



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 10:01 PM
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a reply to: MountainLaurel

I'm OK talent wise ,but people don't use Sci Fi for office art.
ONLY illustration ,HARDER market.
Lack of literacy on THESE computers is fun too.
edit on 28-7-2016 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: thesungod

wow, Thats disgusting. I almost want to say, I will, hang everyone involved from those sculptures as a feast for the vultures.

Its ok though, Karma is coming.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: MountainLaurel

Exactly. I know plenty of VA donation groups and Vet contributions. Especially at the Houston VA.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: amazing

Precisely. The VA needs dramatic changes. Top to bottom.


I was in the Army. Nothing really to complain about except how they treat the injured, mentally ill Vets that really deserve and need treatment. It's just shameful.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 10:19 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Women vets have it the worst. Late wife was a navy vet, and lost her tricare for one year before the choice program debaucle. No they didn't kill her. She was on tricare with me then.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: MountainLaurel

Exactly. I know plenty of VA donation groups and Vet contributions. Especially at the Houston VA.


Yeah, I bet with 100k, the art consultants fees, these groups combined with community support could build an awesome pool and clubhouse that vets and their families could actually use for re-hab and relaxation. Certainly something more useful and beautiful then exspensive sculptures.



posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: amazing

Precisely. The VA needs dramatic changes. Top to bottom.


I was in the Army. Nothing really to complain about except how they treat the injured, mentally ill Vets that really deserve and need treatment. It's just shameful.


How would you feel about this? I'm pretty uninformed on the subject. We simply do away with the VA in it's entirety. In exchange we give each vet a gold/plat level health care package. Low to no deductible, high rates, covers everything. Allows them to see any private sector doctor they want. Remove the bureaucracy, just have an accounts payable section to run the thing.

Would that be acceptable for most vets? One central office in the US to take phone calls and process mail. Everything else gets handled between the vet and the doctor they choose.



posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

I personally think that would be fantastic.

Obviously government run healthcare for vets doesn't work.



posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: amazing

Precisely. The VA needs dramatic changes. Top to bottom.


I was in the Army. Nothing really to complain about except how they treat the injured, mentally ill Vets that really deserve and need treatment. It's just shameful.


How would you feel about this? I'm pretty uninformed on the subject. We simply do away with the VA in it's entirety. In exchange we give each vet a gold/plat level health care package. Low to no deductible, high rates, covers everything. Allows them to see any private sector doctor they want. Remove the bureaucracy, just have an accounts payable section to run the thing.

Would that be acceptable for most vets? One central office in the US to take phone calls and process mail. Everything else gets handled between the vet and the doctor they choose.


Something has to change. My only issue with that is, say you're injured in IRAQ, you would be in a Military hospital at first...Ideally the VA is an easy transfer of your care from there. We all know it's not that easy though. It's the transition from Military Hospital to civilian hospital that I worry about. Also we know that private healthcare insurance doesn't cover everything no matter how "Gold" or "Premium" it is. The VA is like a one stop shop, or should be.



posted on Jul, 29 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: amazing

Precisely. The VA needs dramatic changes. Top to bottom.


I was in the Army. Nothing really to complain about except how they treat the injured, mentally ill Vets that really deserve and need treatment. It's just shameful.


How would you feel about this? I'm pretty uninformed on the subject. We simply do away with the VA in it's entirety. In exchange we give each vet a gold/plat level health care package. Low to no deductible, high rates, covers everything. Allows them to see any private sector doctor they want. Remove the bureaucracy, just have an accounts payable section to run the thing.

Would that be acceptable for most vets? One central office in the US to take phone calls and process mail. Everything else gets handled between the vet and the doctor they choose.


I know not every vet shares my experience, but my care at the VA here in Kansas City has been excellent, but live in an area where there are several VA facilities within a 75 mile radius. To the person that said fix it top to bottom, most of those at the bottom are dedicated and hard working, the changes need to happen at the top and middle.



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