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Humor me, ATS, do you see a RAISED seal on the back of Obama’s short form birth certificate?

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posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:13 AM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

The military taught me to look at shadows and shapes, not colors.

You should too.




posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:14 AM
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originally posted by: lighter78
It was shrouded in mystery for way too long, hidden for too long


funny how all the Presidents before Obama did not release their BC's, Trump has not released his.... but some people still are going on about Obama's legitimate BC!



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:16 AM
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a reply to: Phage

Thank you for the explanation....



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:19 AM
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a reply to: hellobruce

What you fail to realize here I am not sticking up for Trump.. He just like anyone else should be able to prove without a doubt he is a natural born citizen, without sketchy documents.. Just like the rest of em, remember I can't stand any of em.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:32 AM
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All those stars for beating a dead horse with more lies.

While ATS members still feel the need to "reward" nonsense because they fit their agenda despite having zero factual truth then the quality of ATS thread will continue to fall.

What other optical illusions can we use to pin a conspiracy on Obama/Hilary?



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:41 AM
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originally posted by: lighter78
What you fail to realize here I am not sticking up for Trump.. He just like anyone else should be able to prove without a doubt he is a natural born citizen, without sketchy documents.


Has he done that? Where are his 2 birth certificates? Where is the announcement of his birth?

It seems only Obama had to show them!



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:47 AM
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originally posted by: dogstar23
Obama would be a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born, given his mother's U.S. Citizen status at the time of his birth


Not that I care at this point, but if its fake, then perhaps his mom isn't really his mom?



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:48 AM
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a reply to: Bone75
Maybe his mother was a transsexual!
Maybe he wasn't actually born at all!
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posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: lighter78

I agree. I think that the mainstream media is really the biggest part of the problem. If the MSM was actually an unbiased operation, there is no way all of this corruption would continue. We would have real muckrakers out there busting the lies. The corruption would have a spotlight instead of spin. The media is very powerful and still has quite the hold on people.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 03:03 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Bone75
Maybe his mother was a transsexual!
Maybe he wasn't actually born at all!


No need to be condescending Phage. I know you're no fan of original thought, but the person I was responding to made the point that it wouldn't matter whether he was born in Kenya or Hawaii due to his mother's citizenship.

Her not being his real mom is the only logical reason I can come up with for producing a fake BC... if its fake.



edit on 28-7-2016 by Bone75 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: hellobruce

You wouldn't be trying to propagate the "only a black man has had to show his birth certificate to prove he is a natural citizen (hence birthers are closest racists)" line, would you?

While I firmly believe that every candidate should have to present their birth certificate to prove they are natural citizens, I must ask this: has there been a candidate with as mysterious a past as Obama seems to have had before him?



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 03:32 AM
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originally posted by: Dark Ghost
I must ask this: has there been a candidate with as mysterious a past as Obama seems to have had before him?


What makes you think there was anything mysterious about Obama's past?



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 03:36 AM
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It is raised and also the two photos are taken in different light.

You are seeing it because you want to this is what is happening.



I mean come on I'm an idiot but you guys don't see this?. You are just wanting him to be a foreigner for some stupid reason and who cares now? he is on his way out move on.....
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posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 03:54 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Are you trying to get in under the wire before the November election? One last chance to pump a useless conspiracy theory that - even if it were true - is EIGHT YEARS late?

It's a little late to Impeach the guy, don't you think?



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: Phage

That's why the photo I used in my OP is important.

It shows the light source, in the background.

You cannot flip it upside down and declare it an optical illusion.

Right side up or upside down -- the back of the seal is raised:




Besides, you still cannot get around Factcheck.org captioning a photo of the BACKSIDE of the seal.

Nice try though.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 05:00 AM
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a reply to: TheKnightofDoom

AGAIN:
That's why the photo I used in my OP is important.

It shows the light source, in the background.

You cannot flip it upside down and declare it an optical illusion.

Right side up or upside down -- the back of the seal is raised:





posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 05:03 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Not the camera. Our eyes. Actually, it's our brain. We're programmed for a light source coming from "up." Turn it over and hilarity ensues.


Hellooooo?

Here is a photo from Factcheck with the light source in the background.

You cannot flip it upside down and declare it an optical illusion.

Right side up or upside down -- the back of the seal is raised:




The 'optical illusion' argument does. not. work.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Yes it does I can see both sides of the illusion by looking at it. If you look at certain bits of it the rest looks raised then when you move your eyes to another part it doesn't look raised.
Sorry you can't see this.



posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

**yawn**

Have fun wasting your time with nonsense.

On a side note, even if your theory was right and he wasn't born in Hawaii what does it matter since his mom was an American? Wasn't Ted Cruz born in Canada yet still ran for president? So, who cares if Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya, his mommy was still an American just like Ted.
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posted on Jul, 28 2016 @ 06:29 AM
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a reply to: Swills

Yeah. Exactly.

Is this birther crap going to end on November 8 or on January 20? Inquiring minds want to know.




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