It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Having noticed this anomaly and being a graphic designer and familiar with the processes of embossing and debossing, I wrote a series of open records requests to the HDOH, in 2010 & 2011, in an attempt to get at the truth.
The agency was forthcoming.
The HDOH responded that they did NOT maintain the seal photographed by Factcheck when provided with those photos. They further responded that they exclusively use a raised (embossed) seal. They provided me with pencil etchings of two embossed seals they used and neither was a match to Obama’s AND they were both specifically described as embossments by the HDOH.
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Hillary first brought this issue up, why if she wasn't aware of something?
evryone gets quiet.
I just want the truth.
originally posted by: MotherMayEye
If Obama has made both his short and long forms public, they are no longer private.
§338-18 Disclosure of records. (a) To protect the integrity of vital statistics records, to ensure their proper use, and to ensure the efficient and proper administration of the vital statistics system, it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part of any such record, except as authorized by this part or by rules adopted by the department of health. (b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record
There is no law in Hawaii that protects the privacy of public documents.
I have requested the exact documents Obama made public and was told they are still private.
In other words, the law indicates whatever he released is NOT what the Hawaii Department of Health has registered and on file.
Obama's birth certificate is still private and protected by privacy laws. There's no way around it.
That's just how the law works and it tells the story.
It is evident that, Ms. Okubo's letter notwithstanding, § 338-18 DOES NOT PROHIBIT the State of Hawaii from making Mr. Obama's birth certificate public for three reasons. First, because he is a presidential candidate the public has a vital interest in Mr. Obama's birth certificate. The statute specifically permits divulging birth certificate information to anyone who has a vital interest in the information.
Second, the State of Hawaii Department of Health is granted the authority to fashion its own regulations about providing birth certificate information, and given the national importance of Mr. Obama's birth certificate, the question needs to be asked why the Hawaii Health Department has fashioned rules that contradict its own public law § 338-18 and its own Open Records Law.
Third, although the statute includes a list of persons who are entitled to obtain a copy of the birth certificate, it does not anywhere indicate that the list is exhaustive or exclusive. If the drafters of § 338-18 had meant the list to be exhaustive and exclusive they could have said so, but they did not. Therefore, Ms. Okubo misconstrues the law she claims to enforce.
originally posted by: thesungod
The statute specifically permits divulging birth certificate information to anyone who has a vital interest in the information.
, the question needs to be asked why the Hawaii Health Department has fashioned rules that contradict its own public law § 338-18 and its own Open Records Law.
originally posted by: pl3bscheese
Honestly, there's an incredible amount of denial displayed in the OP's assessment. I can't believe someone would go to such lengths when the evidence is right in front of them, and yet they keep going attempting to keep a solid story by any lie necessary. Such a shame to see such a level of self-deception.
I don't think she realizes what she's doing. It's... bizarre, but not too uncommon for ATS.