Not a single Ivanka Trump item at Macy's flagship store was produced in the US

originally posted by: Orionx2
Trump is a businessman. There is no money to be made with made in the USA. He knows this but there is little he can do about it until he can be president.

would that have been your rely if obama made clothes overseas after promising to create more jobs here ?

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: shredderofsouls

They could be if you are Willing to Pay 5 Times More for it if it was Made in the U.S.A. . Capital Gains Tax , 5 Trillon Overseas , Present Government Administration Hostile to Small American businesses , Bad Trade Deals .....and So On .

and yet not a peep about the destructive top 1%, and what they have taken from the middle class and poor in this country, from either political camp.....

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: shredderofsouls

Hardly anything is made in America anymore, ESPECIALLY clothing.

that's not the POINT!....he publically came out and said that he will bring jobs back to America. if he won't do it now with his own products, why does anyone think he will do it AFTER the election?...that's like religion saying that you'll receive salvation...but....only after you die.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest

originally posted by: Orionx2
Trump is a businessman. There is no money to be made with made in the USA. He knows this but there is little he can do about it until he can be president.

would that have been your rely if obama made clothes overseas after promising to create more jobs here ?

If Obama wasn't president yet sure... Businessman and President two different situations.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: shredderofsouls

Hardly anything is made in America anymore, ESPECIALLY clothing.

that's not the POINT!....he publically came out and said that he will bring jobs back to America. if he won't do it now with his own products, why does anyone think he will do it AFTER the election?...that's like religion saying that you'll receive salvation...but....only after you die.

Because he can try to change policy to make it profitable once he is president. Doing it now is just a money loser.

originally posted by: Orionx2
Action he could have taken when? You are referring to his rhetoric. When did he start spewing his rhetoric about it? He has been running for a year maybe? Has he had a chance since then to attempt such a business? Why would he if he could become President and change policy and legislation making said busines actually work instead of starting a fail business to begin with?

So wouldn't that mean he doesn't have any credibility behind what he is promising as far as bringing jobs back to America? I mean if he was never interested in it before, what is going to suddenly make him interested in it now? Because he told you so? What if he's just lying to you to get your vote? That seems FAR more likely.

When has he had a chance to follow through on his rhetoric? He has only been campaigning for like a year maybe.

Wouldn't it be better to lead by example by becoming president and changing policy and legislation that would make a much bigger difference? he knows the ins and out and loopholes better than any other candidate.

Yes, there are many manufacturing plants in the US that staff Americans. I work for one also, so is the plant next to mine. However What happened to Detroit? Where did the steel mills go? Where does the materials and parts come from that most US manufacturing companies use now? Why are many Chevy vehicles now made in their new plant in China? Why is Ford and Chrysler investing so heavily in Mexico? The last Iron working job I had most our steel came from China. Not only from China but from steel plants they bought from Pittsburgh and other places on the east side of the USA and assembled in china to sell us steel made from our old plants....

Those are good questions, but you may not like the answers. In the world we live in, bringing those jobs back isn't going to recapture the glory days of when the getting was good in those jobs. Technology alone is making that unfeasible. If you want to revitalize the manufacturing industry in this country, you need to promote NEW manufacturing industries. Not try to reclaim ones that have gotten away from us. Take parts of the country that have fallen on hard times and try to develop different and better things to do.

It's funny you bring up Detroit, but it's always funny how people don't talk about Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh used to be Steel city. Hell their football team is named after the industry that founded that town, but steel dried up there. So instead of moping about lost glory, they restructured the town and turned it into a technology city. Now it is one of the leading tech cities on the east coast. But I guess success stories like that don't fit in with the doom and gloom narrative of Donald J. Trump, right?
Pittsburgh’s Reinvention from Steel City to Tech Hub

a reply to: Krazysh0t
Certainly untitled to your opinion.

a reply to: Orionx2

So you don't have any opinion on introducing new manufacturing industries as opposed to recapturing glory day manufacturing?

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: shredderofsouls

So how do you turn off all of the information under your screen name?

Ya meet the ban hammer.

I'm sure Trump would love to put americans to work in his businesses, probably why he wants to change things to where it's possible for the workers and owners to make money.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Orionx2
Trump is a businessman. There is no money to be made with made in the USA. He knows this but there is little he can do about it until he can be president.

So leading by example isn't a thing in the world of Trump?

Who would follow him? He's not a dem.

When the climate for business is changed then people will start coming back.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Coming back? They never left. At least 2 of the things in this list require domestic manufacturing.

The 5 Fastest-Growing Industries in the U.S.

a reply to: DJW001 Porque? Why not? Americans know how to sew... do you know where they outsource? I'm Guessing the UAE...or south Americas?
Maybe she gets her fabric from France?
Trump promised us that work would be here in USA...I'll trust that much from him... his daughter should work with vegan fabrics...IMHO.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: shredderofsouls

Hardly anything is made in America anymore, ESPECIALLY clothing.

Labels are clearly marked in big box stores... you are correct and many items from India too. God bless the money they earn and families they support...US dollars converted to Rupees is like a few pennies... per day!🎐😢

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: shredderofsouls

They could be if you are Willing to Pay 5 Times More for it if it was Made in the U.S.A. . Capital Gains Tax , 5 Trillon Overseas , Present Government Administration Hostile to Small American businesses , Bad Trade Deals .....and So On .

The problem started when we went down that "Free Trade" road to begin with for greater profits.
Wages have stagnated for decades and they would have gone up instead to pay those greater prices
There is no free lunch

I think most of the savings go to shareholders and not consumers anyways
The Apple Iphone cost 200 dollars to make including labor but they sell it for 650
Where is the savings going to? Not the consumer

When we used to have Consumer Based Capitalism, Business competed for consumers by making HQ Goods
Now they compete for politicians and trade deals with the shareholders the only concern, in return, consumers get low quality goods from China.

Monsanto is a glaring example of shareholder only capitalism
They compete for politicians to not require labels on their GMO Frankenfoods that the consumer is entitled to know about
They do not care about the consumer

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: shredderofsouls

Capitalism 101 = profit must increase.

So, the natural conclusion of Capitalism, as it currently exists on the planet, is for massive Corporations to emerge who control all resources and products that all humans either need or want. We already see this in industries such as Oil & Gas, Banking, Food, Communications, media and other global economic interests.

Yep, the founding fathers of this nation were against monopolies and this country and world for that matter is riddled with them today. They are the ones that place a lot of politicians in DC with bags full of money and in return, the politicians work for them and not for this country.

There are a handful of corporations that control 90% of the things we buy

What is Trump going to do about the Lobbyists that hand out buckets of money to politicians to the left and right of him?

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: shredderofsouls

LOL, indeed.

This whole thing obviously is a little too complex for you to understand, so I'm going to be helpful.

Under the current business landscape and due to current legislation it makes far more sense to manufacture overseas.

The problem is that the ones that ran to China to have their products made did it only for greater profits and did not consider the consequences that does to this country. They are also the biggest contributors to Communism, not Capitalism.

In Capitalism, ALL Parties are entitled to negotiations and bargaining power.

Workers and Citizens had no say in this country on NAFTA nor the TPP.
The TPP is a one sided trade deal with workers and citizens having no say

In China, 250 Million farmers had their lands stolen and forced to go seek work in the cities.
The Chinese Government also controls 90% of the Biggest Business in that country (State Owned Enterprises)
Their economic model is not compatible with ours so no trade deals should ever have been done with them.

The only ones that claim some of China's markets are capitalists, would be the rich business owners, but when workers have no rights, it is not capitalism. It is Fascism.

Those seeking greater profits care not about Capitalism, Communism or any other economic model. All they care about is profits. If they were allowed to use concentration camp laborers from WW2 they would, morals do not enter their vocabulary, just more profits

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: shredderofsouls

Hardly anything is made in America anymore, ESPECIALLY clothing.

The phone/computer he typed this crap thread on was made overseas too.

The OP thought he was being clever but all he did was show he doesn't understand basic business fundamentals and himself supports overseas low-wage factory slavery.

The consumer has no power over our markets unlike Organized Business
Which is easier to control? Business trying to control millions of consumers or Business buying out a handful of politicians to rig the markets in their favor. Corporate Lobbyists brought us where we are today, not consumers

In 1970, there was a small Chinese store downtown, the size of the gas station. They had products made in China that were low quality items at cheap prices. Despite the cheap prices, American Consumers opted for the HQ American made goods.

The consumer did not change, Corporate Lobbyists and Free Trade Pacts is what changed and now consumers have to buy what is available which is all LQ Communist Crap

The TPP was put together by Organized Business

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: EveStreet

Unions were a problem they kept asking for higher and higher wages which eventually the product made here were too expensive to buy.

There needs to be a balance of power between workers and business and right now business has the upper hand
Organized Labor Groups are almost extinct in this country and account for 8% of the workforce. Meanwhile Organized Business has grown and grown and are donating records amounts of money to politicians.

Pensions might have been unsustainable, but the push for everyone to flock to Wall Street for their retirement instead is also a joke. The finance industry runs on bubbles, scams, fraudulent instruments rated AAA and a never ending supply of government money.

And the majority of money from these scams goes to the top 1% and top .5% while everyone else gets crapped on

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: shredderofsouls

This only proves Trump's point about China.

Yes, Trump is powerless to do anything.Even his daughter cannot use American labor.

If Trump is powerless to do anything in regards to slave labor, why would anyone think he will have any power when president then when Corporate and Banking Lobbyists are donating bucket fulls of money to politicians to the left and right of him.

What is he going to do about them?

a reply to: jacobe001The only businesses left are Food service, Hospitals and Tech.

the other jobs are gone overseas and south of the border.

Very few other businesses in the other industries are ready to close doors and move along or close outright because they are to small to pay high wages, and health care, and retirement.