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Christianity and Noahide Law
Within Judaism it is a matter of debate whether all Christians should be considered Noahides.
While Christianity appears to conform to six of the seven Noahide laws, an informal comparison of the Nicene Creed and Noahide Law reveals that three major theological teachings may involve a violation of the Noahide prohibition against idolatry.
##Equating Jesus with G-d
##Equating the Holy Spirit with G-d
##Jesus as Savior (in his proposed capacity as G-d)
However, these theological issues do not fit the classical Jewish definition of idolatry. This has caused disagreement among rabbinic authorities on the question of the permissibility of Christianity for non-Jews. (All authorities forbid Christianity for Jews).
Another consideration would be that even if Christians are considered at least partially observant Noahides, are they Chasidei Umos HaOlam or Chochmei Umos HaOlam? The former are considered to have a share in the world to come because they recognize Noahide Law as being revealed through mosaic (rabbinic) tradition, the latter are not considered to have a share in the world to come because they follow Noahide Law based on intellectual expediency.[1]
In summary, classical idolatry has been clearly defined by Jewish Law. Christianity, however, has been defined as something less. The problem is defining how much less, and for what purposes.
Paul says it will be that way for the most part until the fullness of the Gentiles come into the kingdom of God.
Romans 15 WEB
8Now I say that Christ has been made a servant of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given to the fathers,
9and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy
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the grace that was given to me by God, 16that I should be a servant of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, serving as a priest the Good News of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be made acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
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25But now, I say, I am going to Jerusalem, serving the saints. 26For it has been the good pleasure of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints who are at Jerusalem. 27Yes, it has been their good pleasure, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, they owe it to them also to serve them in fleshly things. 28When therefore I have accomplished this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will go on by way of you to Spain.
Seven Laws of Noah Punishment
In practice Jewish law makes it very difficult to apply the death penalty. No record exists of a gentile having been put to death for violating the seven laws. Some of the categories of capital punishment recorded in the Talmud are recorded as having never have been carried out. It is thought that the rabbis included discussion of them in anticipation of the coming messianic age.
The Talmud lists the punishment for blaspheming the Ineffable Name of God as death. The sons of Noah are to be executed by decapitation for most crimes, considered one of the lightest capital punishments, by stoning if he has intercourse with a Jewish betrothed woman, or by strangulation if the Jewish woman has completed the marriage ceremonies, but had not yet consummated the marriage. In Jewish law the only form of blasphemy which is punishable by death is blaspheming the Ineffable Name Leviticus 24:16. Some Talmudic rabbis held that only those offences for which a Jew would be executed, are forbidden to gentiles. The Talmudic rabbis discuss which offences and sub-offences are capital offences and which are merely forbidden.
Maimonides states that anyone who does not accept the seven laws is to be executed, as God compelled the world to follow these laws. However, for the other prohibitions such as the grafting of trees and bestiality he holds that the sons of Noah are not to be executed
originally posted by: pthena
Do you believe that the one true God instructed prophet Noah with moral guidelines by which all nations descending from him should live their lives and be ruled by their Kings, Queens, Judges, and Elders?
originally posted by: pthena
Do you believe that the one true God spoke to Moses and gave him the Torah to be an everlasting covenant between Him and Israel?If so, you may just be a Noahide.
originally posted by: pthena
Do you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people?If so, you may just be a Noahide.
originally posted by: pthena
Do you believe that all people on Earth are required by the one true God to:
(1) not worship false gods,
(2) not murder,
(3) not steal,
(4) not be sexually immoral,
(5) not eat a limb removed from a live animal,
(6) not blaspheme,
(7) Set up or live under the jurisdiction of a court system?
If so, you may just be a Noahide.
originally posted by: pthena
Do you believe that Messiah will come and set up a World government with its capital in Jerusalem, and that all nations on Earth will pay tribute and worship the one true God on Zion?If so, then you may just be a Noahide.
Absolutely no.Those are doctrines of men religious fantasy extrapolated from the “bible” by the corrupt religious nature of man with no basis in truth.The fact is Yahoshua was not and is not the Jewish messiah(anointed) billions believe.The Jews of his time were awaiting the “conquering” messiah to free them from their oppressors.Those who believe(Christians) he will be the conquering messiah who doles out the revenge of their God killing billions and sets up rule in the city of Jerusalem are more deceived and pervereted than the Jews of his time.
originally posted by: pthena
If you believe all these things and you are not of the tribe of Judah then you are most assuredly a Noahide. Because that is all that that means.
Good, then I am most assuredly not of the tribe of Judah(Judas real name).The religious construct of the Noahide law is just as false as Christianity.It is made up laws and doctrines of men religion extrapolated from book they do not understand in the least.These laws sole benevolent purpose is to compel those that are morally and ethically corrupt to act in opposition to their corrupt nature and character(the definition of a name)
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The creator God does not communicate through any form of religion because it is the anthesis of knowing that could only be communicated through direct revelation to the individual about “only” that individual by the creator God.
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Israel (which means struggles with Elohim) is the archetype of ALL of mankind.
John 21:20Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”
Noahidism (/ˈnoʊə.haɪd.ɪsm/) or Noachidism (/ˈnoʊə.xaɪd.ɪsm/) is a monotheistic ideology based on the Seven Laws of Noah, and on their traditional interpretations within Rabbinic Judaism.
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Those who subscribe to the observance of these commandments are referred to as Bene Noach (B'nei Noah) (Hebrew: בני נח), Children of Noah, Noahides (/ˈnoʊ.ə.haɪdᵻs/), or Noahites (/ˈnoʊ.ə.haɪtᵻs/).
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Because it is probably a 1,000 years older and obviously the Hebrew version of a Mesopotamian myth.
I smell a scam.
Also Noah didn't have Jews in his lifetime so using his name as a Jew vs non-Jew division of law is illogical and most Jews today don't even descend from Israel or Judah and aren't Semites either.
Bill Maher Religion
Maher is highly critical of all religion and views it as highly destructive. He has been described, or self-identified, variously as an agnostic, atheist, and apatheist, while objecting to having his views defined by a single label. In his 2008 feature film Religulous, he refers to himself as agnostic. He has rejected being grouped with explicit atheists, saying in 2002, "I'm not an atheist. There's a really big difference between an atheist and someone who just doesn't believe in religion. Religion to me is a bureaucracy between man and God that I don't need. But I'm not an atheist, no." Maher has also occasionally referred to himself as an apatheist, saying in 2011 "I don't know what happens when you die, and I don't care." When discussing his apatheism and his views on the existence of God, he said on a scale from 1 to 7 (7 being "absolutely certain there is no god"), he was only at 6.9,
Jews have been expelled from more nations than any peoples despite their small numbers, and the Nation of Israel and the political Zionist movement are their revenge on both Christian and Muslim alike.
Generations may pass but the Jew never forgets.