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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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from All About Counseling



Treatment of Hoplophobia

The first step in overcoming Hoplophobia is to speak with your doctor for referral to a mental health specialist. This specialist will be able to provide support and determine the best method to help you recover and regain control of your life. Some common treatment options include hypnotherapy, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and energy psychology. Therapies using pictures of firearms to help desensitize the patient is typically a first step to conquer the phobia gradually. Medications can also be administered to help a patient over come phobia during therapy sessions. Whichever treatment option you choose, know that you are on your way to living a healthy, normal life. Read the Full Page: Hoplophobia – Symptoms and Facts of Hoplophobia – Treatment of Hoplophobia AllAboutCounseling.com


Interesting. I have access to some propranolol. Maybe I can cure myself.

A Drug to Cure Fear




posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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Hitler bragged that Germany was the first society to disarm a nation.
It has also been said that an armed society is a polite society.
So, I guess the logic is you can either say please and thank you or die in a gas chamber.

I don't think I will let you make my choice for me.
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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

May we know what YOUR line for killing another human being would be?
Could you do it if you were face to face?



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: MayanBoricua
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

We have the right to kill to defend life. In some places, to defend property as well. Death should be avoided, however. I believe a shot to the leg is effective in most cases. So are tasers and mace.
However, the second is exclusively for tyrannical govts. Not hunting, not collecting, not plinking.
History shows us the govt life cycle inevitably ends in tyranny. Please don't ask for examples. You said you were intellectual. (Respect.)


So your right to kill from the government? I know some countries treat defense different. There was a thread around here from Norway???? A person killed a robber in defense of their home and was sentence to a longer prison term than the robbers.

Let's discuss defending against a tyrannical government for a moment, even though I think we're a long way off from a liberty spring here in the US. I really don't see a win happening against the US military. The tyrannical government will likely be beaten back with information rather than violence.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
from All About Counseling



Treatment of Hoplophobia

The first step in overcoming Hoplophobia is to speak with your doctor for referral to a mental health specialist. This specialist will be able to provide support and determine the best method to help you recover and regain control of your life. Some common treatment options include hypnotherapy, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and energy psychology. Therapies using pictures of firearms to help desensitize the patient is typically a first step to conquer the phobia gradually. Medications can also be administered to help a patient over come phobia during therapy sessions. Whichever treatment option you choose, know that you are on your way to living a healthy, normal life. Read the Full Page: Hoplophobia – Symptoms and Facts of Hoplophobia – Treatment of Hoplophobia AllAboutCounseling.com


Interesting. I have access to some propranolol. Maybe I can cure myself.

A Drug to Cure Fear



Here's some pic that will help desensitize you from the gun. Maybe all the rest of us should turn this thread into a desensitization zone for you and post all the guns we can?

I'll start with this!



Does this help with your Hoplophobia? maybe more members should post more pics to help you with your Hoplophobia?

edit on 27-7-2016 by Naturallywired because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
a reply to: MayanBoricua

I never advocated for taking your rights away. I just said you're a coward if you need one.


And whose definition of "need" applies here? Thye firearms owner or yours?


How do you know I haven't been robbed. How can you assume my life story?


It's annoying having to face your own hypocrisy isn't it? This is exactly what you're doing, making assumnptions regarding the legal, law abiding activities of about 1/3 of the entire citizenry of this country. Let's look at some perspective...

You believe that pepper spray or martial arts are trhe best methods of self defence, even against carnivorous wild animals and potentially armed opponents. This is an asinine proposition. You have no inkling what the physical capabilities of people are. Many aren't able to perform martial arts effectively if faced with a physically superior attacker. I'm 43 and use a cane because I destroyed my body in the Army. If its a one on one scenario, certainly, I'm going to throw down. If I'm home with my kids, because I haven't worked in several years due to my injuries and I'm home during your attested to peak home burglary time period, I'm going to use the quickest and easiest method to dispatch an assailant. I'm not going to engage in a scene from a fictitious action movie because YOU feel its the less cowardly way and potentially put one of my children in harms way to appease your specific sensibilities. It's a ludicrous proposition to assume that the way you choose to carry yourself is the best and most effective methodology. It quite simply is one of the most arrogant propositions I've seen on ATS in awhile.


Have you ever used pepper spray at all? Let alone on a human or even more hilariously, against a wild carnivore like coyotes, Bear or wolves? Are you willing to give that a try in real life? You don't have to be hopped up on meth or PCP to laugh off pepper spray. The first time I was exposed to CS gas, I laughed at it and asked to go back in the room. Different people have wildly differing responses to similar stimuli. You can't just assume that something is an all purpose solution.


In my home, a firearm is the last resort. But if you make it past the 2 Akitas, you will be put down. If you hurt those dogs or anyone in the home, you will be put down. I've had to call the police 3 times in the 12 years I've owned this house. The quickest reponse time was 18 minutes. I live in a huge, mostly rural county. On average there are around 6 Sheridff's cars out on any given night, 9-10 on weekends. It's 45 minutes from one end of the county to the other and longer depending on where exactly they are and what road it is. Yiour expectations are entirely unrealistic.


Governments certainly do but I doubt the US will any times soon... Regardless what Alex Jones says...


you don't have to listen to Alex Jones to be able to get a library card and read some actual history books. Personally, I loathe the guy but that's just me.
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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: cavtrooper7

I would only try to disable. But if we're only talking hypothetical...

I think it would probably be okay to kill if I was held against my will for an extensive period in a dark dungeon. If I was tortured or raped that may increase my incentive to seek some sort of retribution.




posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

It has so far but LATELY ...

I would be most happy to discuss a rebellion I suggest we all avoid such a choice I wouldn't enjoy shooting Americans at all.UN ,foreign armies HA!
who?
www.bob-owens.com...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THAT is what I say can you equally retort, besides a singular opinion?
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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: Naturallywired

originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
from All About Counseling



Treatment of Hoplophobia

The first step in overcoming Hoplophobia is to speak with your doctor for referral to a mental health specialist. This specialist will be able to provide support and determine the best method to help you recover and regain control of your life. Some common treatment options include hypnotherapy, neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and energy psychology. Therapies using pictures of firearms to help desensitize the patient is typically a first step to conquer the phobia gradually. Medications can also be administered to help a patient over come phobia during therapy sessions. Whichever treatment option you choose, know that you are on your way to living a healthy, normal life. Read the Full Page: Hoplophobia – Symptoms and Facts of Hoplophobia – Treatment of Hoplophobia AllAboutCounseling.com


Interesting. I have access to some propranolol. Maybe I can cure myself.

A Drug to Cure Fear



Here's some pic that will help desensitize you from the gun. Maybe all the rest of us should turn this thread into a desensitization zone for you and post all the guns we can?

I'll start with this!



Does this help with your Hoplophobia? maybe more members should post more pics to help you with your Hoplophobia?


I thought you were leaving this thread? I didn't take my pill. If you actually read the article you would know that I would have to be around a real gun and probably shoot it.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

Tell that to the 120 lbs women who defends herself with her gun from a 200 lbs rapist.



Why is this woman in this situation? Should have used her brain instead of relying on a gun.




Tell that to the elderly man or woman who can't physically compete with young and strong thugs.


HA! This almost never happens but it's a good sob story to use.



Tell that to the many victims of home invasions who have had to defend themselves with guns to prevent being killed by multiple attackers.


I posted some numbers early. This does not happen very often. It's almost a non-concern if you're not pushing drugs or expensive product out of your house.




All those people are cowards for needing a gun eh?


Yes?





Sickening post again. You do not 'love' anyone, especially victims. You place the blame on the woman who gets raped simply because you believe she should have 'known better'.

Probably shouldn't have worn skimpy clothes, either? You are a hateful man for blaming victims.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:00 PM
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How did the dead robber get a prison sentence?, The information that could be used to defend against a tyrannical government will probably be controlled by the government, after they take away your rights to defend your freedom of speech and freedom of the press, so you can't use said information against the government.......a reply to: TheAmazingYeti



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti

So your right to kill from the government? I know some countries treat defense different. There was a thread around here from Norway???? A person killed a robber in defense of their home and was sentence to a longer prison term than the robbers.


The 2nd doesn't give you the right to kill others. It's for govt resistance. The right to kill in self defense is a god given right. Or a big bang given right. Whatever you prefer. Even in China, or Soviet Russia, or even Norway, You have the right to kill so you yourself don't get killed. No matter whether it's legal or not, you will always have that right. Even if they imprison you or execute you. NOBODY can stop you from exercising lethal self defense. That Norway case was full of spit, and we all know it. They really demonstrate what it means to have your head up your ass.


originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Let's discuss defending against a tyrannical government for a moment, even though I think we're a long way off from a liberty spring here in the US. I really don't see a win happening against the US military. The tyrannical government will likely be beaten back with information rather than violence.


If information worked, then explain why you are immune to it.


originally posted by: SrWingCommander (edited)

Just about every insurgency (successful or not) has had the insurgents, armed only with small arms (rifles and such) fighting against a mechanized army. Viet Cong vs American military, Afghans' vs Soviet. Tito vs the Germans, Al-CIAduh/ISIS vs NATO. British vs the colonists, etc. etc. Insurgencies are usually long and drawn out affairs and the insurgents usually are quite crafty.

Superior firepower is not synonymous with victory.

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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

It has so far but LATELY ...

I would be most happy to discuss a rebellion I suggest we all avoid such a choice I wouldn't enjoy shooting Americans at all.UN ,foreign armies HA!
who?
www.bob-owens.com...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THAT is what I say can you equally retort, besides a singular opinion?


The thing is gun confiscation will not be what triggers a rebellion but it will be because of fear and the massive divide between left and right.

I agree with your link. That's probably how it would play out.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
I even provided some proof in the OP that violence is on a downward trend...


Well, I'm not really in favour of guns-for-all, the US has had a lot of mass shootings, murders, armed robberies - more then anywhere else. All those guns you have over there never helped much in preventing unnecessary deaths either. So, ban them.

But, in my favourite role as Devil's Advocate: you DID realize that putting those two graphs (number of guns rising, crime falling) may be interpreted such that they indeed ARE related? Gives a fine argument to the gun-toters to even buy a few more: it lowers crime..?

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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
a reply to: cavtrooper7

I would only try to disable. But if we're only talking hypothetical...

I think it would probably be okay to kill if I was held against my will for an extensive period in a dark dungeon. If I was tortured or raped that may increase my incentive to seek some sort of retribution.



I would like you to do yourself a favor. If you live in an area that has a gun range, they will have a gun you can rent, so rent a pistol. Get a man size target and put it about 7 feet away. Put a bullet in your off hand and drop it. Try to hit the target anywhere before that bullet hits the ground. That's how long you have to aim with a typical gunfight range.
Then come back and tell me where you "hypothetically" hit that target.

Then you can speak of why you know and listen of what you don't.

By the way, a man with a machete 21 feet away can usually reach and injure you before you get a gun out of a holster and fire (even without aiming.)

Of course, if someone attacked you with a machete, you wouldn't be able to tell me anyway, would you?

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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:19 PM
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[insert whatever god, natural force, or lack thereof you ascribe to here]

My "right to kill" in defense of self comes from my inherent ownership of myself.

I have a absolute right to be free from harm or death. No other person has the right to attempt to abridge that right. The millisecond they do, I have the absolute right to defend myself in whatever way I deem appropriate. If it happens to result in my attacker's death, then oh well. They made their choice.

My weapon of choice happens to be a gun. This choice is made with the knowledge that I will likely be assaulted with a gun in the first place. Equal force for equal force. However, iy should never be assumed that my firearm will be the first option, or that I can't take care of myself with my voice, hands, or any other weapon short of a gun. The firearm is the last resort, period.

The irony of someone calling other people cowards over the internet always makes me chuckle.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:21 PM
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Defensively, how do you break do you break down your threats?
A gang member is an easy H2H or most robbers,the ones I know aren't into an invasion type caper, some ( I'M quoting here) "Should be shot by their own mothers"
THEY say the ones who are are to a man racists,sociopaths and I ;m REALLY talking hypothetically about the ,yes , outside chance, YOU stumble into a situation with a tango.
We got a scared kid shooting up everything in sight with a Ruger mini 14.
I KNOW that weapon and I ALSO know that kid is flipped out,YOU CAN'T SAVE him then,it's CRAZY to try,if you try to approach within pistol range you can't make it without stalking training.
Then someone yells "Allah Akabar" to get 3 responses
If I am in my car outside, I carry a rifle in the trunk, mags in the glove compartment,6 30 rd.
WHAT do you want to do?
I really don't need it guess about such a scenario you'd shoot.
WELL ,we can't be there with THE DAMN rifles TO DO so if you do as YOU are asking,we won't LET anyone take them, on the outside choice THAT little crazy story happens when I go to the mall for an Orange Juius..I can't leave them alone...
Man woman or child if you come across my threshold and I don't want it you are done,with any and all training I have had GOOD luck mr criminal,probably by a blade if theres only one or two.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:27 PM
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I'm confused; was that a Pro or Anti post?
'Roided cops have a pretty high success rate. Even if the machete was actually a cell phone, had it really been a machete, they still would have lost to the lawman.
Also, you have given us an excellent training exercise. Gracias.

a reply to: (Below) cavtrooper7 (Below)

You need to work on your formatting, comrade.
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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:29 PM
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BINGO!
WE are about to loose Germany,people....www.activistpost.com... cribers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=f63ef3b529-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_term=0_b0c7fb76bd-f63ef3b529-387901661

THIS is what is sought HERE.in case you are a bit slower than the rest of us... THEY want to amend their constitution to allow the military to patrol the streets ,and so the new Reichstag will come upon us...the oligarchs must have been PISSED about the BREXIT thing.


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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:35 PM
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a reply to: MayanBoricua

I haven't the time ZBrush is MIND SUCKING my skills away.




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