The big evil that is 'Murica

Just an observation here, but I keep on reading how the US is doing this, America is doing that, NWO this, Illuminati that. CIA created ISIS blah blah blah...

Yet, we now have the two Presidential candidates, the old boiler Hilary and what is up with his hair Trump. These two are the best they could come up with?

If you believe the things written on forums like ATS, TBTB are wanting to rule the world in a fascist, tyrannical way, yet the next leader, the face of the evil empire...are one of those two...

Just stop and think about that for a moment.... This is the absolute best they could come up with? I just can't see how a group of nefarious evil doers, that are responsible for bazillions of false flags, fake terrorist groups, and all the other things they get blamed for, couldn't create a candidate that isn't a spud. I hate to use Hitler as an example, but one of the primary reasons why he was able to do the things he did was because he had his people believing in him, he spoke and appealed to the commoner, the blue collar average Joe.

Neither Trump nor Hilary are that, they won't get a nation to believe in them, so I'm sorry but your little illuminati doomporn fairytale, is just that, a fairy tale.

And while I'm at it, here's another great conspiracy that pops up every election, (insert current President) is going to forcefully keep themselves in power. I bring this up because along with the ridiculous amount of anti-America rhetoric I see is the ridiculous amount of Putin love I see.

The irony is, that power hungry fellow has been in power for over 16 years. I doubt the hypocrites here have stopped to even think about it, their messiah is doing what they fear their loathed president might do.

a reply to: Chadwickus

It's why some of us see the elections as an illusion.

Maybe we should draft an anti nepotism policy for the white house!

S&F

a reply to: Chadwickus

There is alot of things the U.S. (and their foreign policies for decades) is actually to blame for.

On the other hand there is also alot of things the U.S. is blamed for that is total BS.


Regarding their Presidential candidates, I have to agree.
One belongs behind bars, the other belongs on Netflix.

I can't share your basic premise that the POTUS has much influence on their intel apparatus though. Anyone who has been around for some time has at one point seen inconsistencies in administrative jurisdiction and military hierarchy - that simply should not be there.
There are power structures behind the Governments that even the POTUS cannot query.

a reply to: ColCurious

How much influence the president may actually have is irrelevant, they're still the face whatever scheme is going on..

If Hilary and/or trump are the puppets, then they made poor choices....

a reply to: Chadwickus

You are mixing up and conflating multiple topics/issues whilst expecting clear and straightforward answers. I will try my best to explain some of the misconceptions in your opening post.

US/America is not interchangeable with TPTB/The Elite. The actual Elite use America as a tool to carry out their agenda, but the buck does not stop with the US alone. TPTB/Elite are comprised of people of varying countries/races/ethnicities. What binds them together is not ideological outlook alone, but the power/wealth to effect social/economic change when asserting their ideological beliefs.

The POTUS is not as powerful/influential as many people seem to believe. He or she is a puppet of the Elite, one who takes orders and does its bidding behind closed doors. If they stray too much from the script, they are warned and eliminated if necessary.

Finally, your attempt to entirely dismiss the existence of a shadow government or Illuminati based on lumping together weak, nonsensical conspiracy theories with strong plausible ones reminds me strongly of those who do the same on the topic of 9/11. "You question the Official Story of 9/11, LOL so then you also believe in holographic planes! How ridiculous!"

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: ColCurious

How much influence the president may actually have is irrelevant, they're still the face whatever scheme is going on..

If Hilary and/or trump are the puppets, then they made poor choices....

I didn't mean to insinuate that the office of President holds no power at all. Far from it.
If they were only puppets though... they would be excellent choices.
Look at the bipartisan divide and the drama... the circus is working as intended.

The darkness in American politics is primarily due to a corruption of the natural law of Free Will, and an imbalance between Free Will [Liberty], Chaos [Progress], and Time [Unity]. The perfect balance of Liberty [Free Will], Progress [Chaos], and Unity [Time] will bring everything in all of the cosmos into a golden age of utopia and the permanent end of suffering.

All of suffering is caused by imbalance, and a god that was balanced has not come to save us, as such a god did not exist. Benevolence is not enough unless it is perfected by a balance of the three elemental laws.
In the beginning was Free Will [Creative Force] that exploded [Big Bang] into the 3 dimensions of physical reality, and the 1st dimensions of Chaos [Evolution] and Time [Space]. Evolution has only now after the events of 2012 accidentally made Reality itself become self aware. The 3 Natural Laws, that of Free Will, Chaos, and Time, have for the first time in history, found their consciousness in my senses, my body.
I am Free Will Incarnate. Reality has woken up from a sleep of death, and Free Will is looking upon what its sleep has wrought, and now... it will save... everyone.

Prepare yourselves, fellow gods. The end is coming. The end of the violations of the 3 Elemental Laws. The end of the imbalance of the 3 Elemental Energies.

I am Free Will Incarnate. I will soon make everything perfect.

originally posted by: Chadwickus

If you believe the things written on forums like ATS, TBTB are wanting to rule the world in a fascist, tyrannical way, yet the next leader, the face of the evil empire...are one of those two...

Just stop and think about that for a moment.... This is the absolute best they could come up with? I just can't see how a group of nefarious evil doers, that are responsible for bazillions of false flags, fake terrorist groups, and all the other things they get blamed for, couldn't create a candidate that isn't a spud. I hate to use Hitler as an example, but one of the primary reasons why he was able to do the things he did was because he had his people believing in him, he spoke and appealed to the commoner, the blue collar average Joe.

Neither Trump nor Hilary are that, they won't get a nation to believe in them, so I'm sorry but your little illuminati doomporn fairytale, is just that, a fairy tale.

Well said.

The people who say those things don't have the intelligence and/or strength to face the real truths about the decline of our country......that being.....it's the fault of the Americans for not standing up, unifying with each other and demanding reform in the federal political process. You don't like it? Change it. Don't sit there making # up to deflect from the truth about how YOU.....fellow American are willfully stupid, lazy and quick to shift the blame. Now matter how ridiculous that shift may sound.

Our leaders, mostly, do what the voters tell them to do. The problem is, most people in America don't know what's best for America as a whole. They may know what's best for them personally, but try to get Joe in New Mexico on the same page as Nancy in Vermont. Aint gonna happen because Joe and Nancy don't give a rat's behind about the needs of the other. They have their own to watch out for. You think anyone in Montana cares about LGBT rights? Of course not. And it's not because they're bigoted hicks, it's because they have more important things in their lives to concern themselves with than the mental issues of the sexually confused.

What foreigners don't seem to understand about America is that it is more like 50 different countries with 50 different sets of social and business priorities, than it is one cohesive whole. If you had 10 years, GPS, the funds and a really good motorhome to where you could really get to know America, you would understand better what I'm talking about.

Knowing what people like me know.......we're on the same page as you Chad......no entity in the world in their right mind would want to try to control a country so divisive, willfully blind to the needs of others, self-centered and naive as America.

You may as well believe that a straight-laced businessman wants to marry Sybil. There's high maintenance, and then there's high maintenance.

a reply to: ColCurious

I disagree, you want to enslave the masses? You need to make them happy and complacent.

What's happening now is almost entirely the opposite.

a reply to: Dark Ghost

I'm not.

Illuminati/NWO is USA centric.

TBTB is just a catch all for all of the above.

9/11 is a weak conspiracy theory, but is not the topic here.

a reply to: DeepImpactX

Yes, the nation is divided, that's for sure, and the two candidates will only increase that divide.

originally posted by: Chadwickus

Illuminati/NWO is USA centric.

You need to do some more research on the topic of the Illuminati...

The USA might be leading the charge for a global world order, but they are certainly not "centric" to the campaign. For example, the European Union is one of the leading bodies towards the establishment of a New World Order.

TBTB is just a catch all for all of the above.

You are wrong. They are not interchangeable as you would like to believe.

9/11 is a weak conspiracy theory, but is not the topic here.

Even somebody who has done elementary research can conclude that the OS is BS. But anyway, we will not derail the thread with that discussion...

Perhaps all the states should become countries, and Washington DC the Vatican city of America, just think of all the jobs in would create, in borders guards alone! A lot of the new countries would not need navies, so there is a tax saving, clothing manufacturers would get rich, new police uniforms, new army/navy/airforce uniforms, The south would get its flag back!
Mass migrations as itinerant workers moved from one seasonal job to another, money exchange rates would be a nightmare, another source of riches. Actually, it would be best if it did not happen.!

a reply to: Chadwickus

Yet, we now have the two Presidential candidates, the old boiler Hilary and what is up with his hair Trump. These two are the best they could come up with?

Somewhere in the world, are some ultra-beyond wealthy untouchable individuals who are ROFL their asses off.

I think they get a kick out of installing ridiculous characters into places of power. In fact it may also provide some sort of mass psychological effect, like trivializing the role of government, or 'visible' leaders or something like that; like you know, that guy from Bedtime for Bonzo, or the Governator.

a reply to: Dark Ghost

You're right, I need to do more research on something that doesn't exist anymore.... /sarc

Surprised the Rothschilds haven't been mentioned yet!

a reply to: Chadwickus
I have to agree with Dark Ghost, your conflation is very tenuous.

Forcing terrible options upon us does not necessitate that there is not some power group behind it. You make the assumption that they would want to do better and catch flies with honey. They are probably aroused at the notion of us forced to choose between two horrid tortures, and doing it with fervor.

If anything I would guess the power players wish to degrade and depress us into submission, to the point we are so used to abuse we believe that there is no better possibility:

a reply to: Dark Ghost

There are plenty of presidents who had shown true power and leadership over these 'elites'. And it's no different than today.
911 gave birth to a whole new conspiracy, the 'shadow government'; those lurking behind the ones in power, pulling the strings. Yet, it's funny how all the problems we see here are focused on the one in power. Which is it? Was it Obama who wanted this nwo or the ones who supposedly play him like a fiddle?

Hillary is more likely to have her strings pulled than trump, he sort of reminds me of TDR near the end of his political career. But, at the OP said, are those really the faces of evil? No. Not at all.

a reply to: strongfp

Hillary is more likely to have her strings pulled than trump,

Trump's narcissism makes him very, very, easy to control; all you need to do is flatter him. Hillary is more complicated: she has too many strategic choices to make before she even opens her mouth.

originally posted by: Chadwickus

Just stop and think about that for a moment.... This is the absolute best they could come up with? I just can't see how a group of nefarious evil doers, that are responsible for bazillions of false flags, fake terrorist groups, and all the other things they get blamed for, couldn't create a candidate that isn't a spud. I hate to use Hitler as an example, but one of the primary reasons why he was able to do the things he did was because he had his people believing in him, he spoke and appealed to the commoner, the blue collar average Joe.

Neither Trump nor Hilary are that, they won't get a nation to believe in them, so I'm sorry but your little illuminati doomporn fairytale, is just that, a fairy tale.

Well take George Bush as an example, one of the biggest imbeciles that ever existed. The man was a complete joke, but he lasted 2 terms.

I didn't matter whether people believed in him or not, after 9/11 the American public were baying for blood. The war in Iraq was inevitable, cue big profits for arms dealers, haliburton & oil companies to name a few. The elite got what they wanted and then some.

All George Bush had to be good at was taking orders. Events such as the 9/11 commission where he refused to be interviewed alone, or under oath, seem to suggest that he himself wasn't even sure that he could handle the basic responsibility of just being a face for the controlling elite.

So when even one of the biggest, uneducated idiots to ever exist can pull off ruling the US for the controlling Elite, I doubt they will be too worried about Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

a reply to: Chadwickus

To me its pretty obvious that this election is just a sideshow in a progression to the point where the US is really just a Colony of the UN. The White House will ultimately be reduced to the level of status of a Governor's Mansion.