Threatened to the Core - White Christians All in On Trump

originally posted by: schuyler
But what Trump did not do is pander to the Christians. he didn't claim to be one. In fact, he basically admitted he wasn't. And he didn't do the typical leftist "religion is stupid" schtick.

Yes, he did claim to be Christian and yes he is pandering to them. Hard.

Here's just one interview with him and the Family Leadership Summit when they ask him some very basic questions that any real Christian could answer and should answer better than this.

a reply to: mOjOm

If that's so, then he isn't actually pandering.

Pandering involves having a degree of authenticity so that you fool the chosen group into thinking you are one of them or at least genuinely care enough to take them into account.

As much as Trump sort of sucks at Christianing, he is either extremely new to the whole business or he is sucking really hard at pandering. Either way, this is why we say he isn't actually pandering.

Funny thing is, it isn't just the white Christians in our neighborhood with Trump signs in the yard. Every one of three legally immigrated, naturalized Mexican families have Trump signs. If you talk with them about why they're supporting Trump they will tell you it is because they want the country they immigrated into back. They've seen the massive changes in just the time they've been here. They see Trump as the best choice for their families. They were here for the Clinton administration and would never vote for a Clinton.
The funniest thing I've seen is that not a single member of the Executive Committee of the Democrat party has a Hillary sign in their yard! NOT ONE. One has a local Dem candidate's sign but that's it. They haven't even opened a Dem headquarters yet and say they don't expect to have one before the middle of September or the first of October. Unprecedented in this county.

a reply to: ketsuko

More cult logic once again.

Pandering is pandering regardless of whether or not you're any good at it.

Obviously he finds Pandering to Christians difficult because he knows almost nothing about being a Christian so talking and acting like one and saying the right things is difficult for him to do.

What gets me is that Christians of all people should be able to see him as a fraud for acting like he's one of them. Clearly, that man knows about Christianity about as much as he knows about the tribal customs of ancient native American shaman. If there's one things about Christians it's that they can typically tell one of their own. Doesn't mean they agree on the details, but they usually know another lover of Jesus pretty quick. Yet they won't call this man out for his obvious fake claims of being Religious at all.

I mean the question of "Do you ask God for forgiveness??" How much stumbling can one man do on that. To any Christian even in the world that is easy, "Yes". Of course. That's what it's all about. After 3 minutes of him going in all directions he still said "No."

Come on. The cult mentality is just beyond reason. I've never seen anything like it.

a reply to: mOjOm

Come on. The cult mentality is just beyond reason. I've never seen anything like it.

What??! Of course you have. you saw it in 2008, and again in 2012. Obama practically perfected the cult kool-aid.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You know what? If it equals a Trump win in November, I'm all in. No cost is too steep, in financial, philosophical, or moral costs, to not do whatever it takes to keep Hillary Clinton from selecting SCOTUS justices. How evangelical is this for ya, if Old Scratch was running against her, I'd vote for him. You really think Trump's foibles bother me that much?

originally posted by: tothetenthpower

So are you claiming there is something wrong with this? If so, do you think there was something wrong for the record percentage of black people that voted for Obama?

One is that white christians are afraid of loosing their monopoly on basically everything, the other was a large minority group ascending to the highest office in the land for the first time in history.

Apples, meet oranges.



Justify it all you like. Either voting for someone based on color is wrong, or it is ok. I don't care if it was historical or not.

See I personally feel that if a black person wanted to vote for Obama because he was black or they thought he would help blacks out, they had every right to do so. . I also see no problem with a white person voting for someone because they are white or they think they would help whites out.

But apparently according to many people including seemingly the author of the OP, there is something frightening about white people voting for their own color or interests.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: schuyler
But what Trump did not do is pander to the Christians. he didn't claim to be one. In fact, he basically admitted he wasn't. And he didn't do the typical leftist "religion is stupid" schtick.

Yes, he did claim to be Christian and yes he is pandering to them. Hard.

Does he keep a bottle of holy water in his purse?

a reply to: mOjOm

Indeed. Even the best of Christs followers would have to ask God for forgiveness for his or her sins occassionally, and most of us often! That requires humility though, and thats a hard pill for a megalomaniac.

a reply to: olaru12

They are not tokens, They are people like everyone else.

originally posted by: mOjOm

Yes, he did claim to be Christian and yes he is pandering to them. Hard.

Here's just one interview with him and the Family Leadership Summit when they ask him some very basic questions that any real Christian could answer and should answer better than this.


So whats the story again, a politician is pandering to a certain group? I don't get this op. Of course groups that are being pandered to tend to vote for the person pandering to them. In this case, Trump is pandering to Christians, and it is working.

Hillary panders to blacks, Hispanics, etc. and they are voting more for her. So what is the deal with the story in the OP. It seems that the author has a problem with WHITES, and CHRISTIANS voting for their interests, but that is not racists or bigotted, tright?

a reply to: AmericanRealist

Doesn't even come close to this.

Obama in 2008 Obama captured everyone with his speeches and ideas. He had ideas and said the right things and we all thought he would do them.

Trump doesn't say all the right things. He throws out slogans with zero substance to them. He just makes promises half of which scare the hell out of people. In the context of this thread he literally cannot even pretend to be a decent Christian and answer some of the most basic principled questions any Christian can answer.

So no, not even close to the same thing at all.

a reply to: Grambler

That's a fair question. In reply I must admit that I'm not exactly addressing the OP just yet. I'm simply clearing up the statement by schyler earlier about Trump.

Because there is too much incorrect information around here that is just factually not true and can be shown 100% to not be true and people need to stop saying it like it is true.

It's no wonder people can't agree on Trump. Because half the people arguing don't even know what he's said anyway. They just have some idealized and false idea of who he is I think.

Saying that he never claimed to be a Christian is just plain incorrect.

originally posted by: Grambler
Hillary panders to blacks, Hispanics, etc. and they are voting more for her. So what is the deal with the story in the OP.

Isn't the story in the OP just looking at why they are backing Trump?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: mOjOm

Indeed. Even the best of Christs followers would have to ask God for forgiveness for his or her sins occassionally, and most of us often! That requires humility though, and thats a hard pill for a megalomaniac.

Asking Gods forgiveness is literally the first step to being a Christian. Let's face it. That is the first thing you do which has to happen to even possibly be a Christian.

Saying "well, I don't really bring him into that, I just try and make things right...and bla bla....." All that crap he was saying just made it obvious he doesn't have any clue what a Christian is. Let alone some of the other stuff he's said and done that's not even in this one video. But Gods Forgiveness??? The answer is "Yes" Absolutely "Yes". It has to be. If not, you haven't even taken the first step to becoming a Christian. The fact that he rambled on like that just points out that he knows it and is trying to lie about it too because he thinks Christians are too dumb to know it.

Even a flat out "NO" would at least be honest. But he can't even be honest. He has to lie to everyone on top of it and then they let him get away with it too.

I know I'm not the only one seeing this, right???

Interesting take on the OP from the well-known conservative site RedState (not fans of Mr. Trump, for very good reasons, IMO)

Red State (eeeesh)

This is the man marginal Christians are flocking to; An authoritarian who trashed all things faith-related at the GOP convention, in order to court Socialists, speaks of himself in third person, like some third world despot, and who obviously uses religion as a hook, and not a lifestyle.

This election gets more and more depressing, each day. Maybe some of those money-unto-me preachers who support this clown could explain the difference between religion and relationship to the guy, while they're waiting for their checks to clear.

a reply to: mOjOm

How can one be a Christian, when one believes oneself to be a god?

Even when one has put right the wrongs one has done, it is necessary to ask for Gods forgiveness and grace. Even if one is not in the business of attonement in the Roman sense of it, one must recognise ones error and seek forgiveness for it.

a reply to: Gryphon66

That's poorly written emotional garbage.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Do you not understand most people who classify themselves as followers of religion, really only do that in name rather than practice?

How could anyone be a true Christian if they don't believe God created the universe in six days and rested on the seventh? Simple, most religious people aren't true followers.

Actually, the truest followers of religion currently are Islamic extremists as they follow their barbaric Sharia laws to the word. So true religious people given modern society are in reality, extremists.

The idea it's a negative for Trump that he isn't a Christian extremist who believes God made the universe in less than a week and the earth is less than six thousand years old is amusing.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
How can one be a Christian, when one believes oneself to be a god?

Even when one has put right the wrongs one has done, it is necessary to ask for Gods forgiveness and grace. Even if one is not in the business of attonement in the Roman sense of it, one must recognise ones error and seek forgiveness for it.

Exactly. God's forgiveness is absolutely required as a Christian. I'm not even Christian and I know this. (I was at one time when I was younger.) That is the whole foundation of being Christian. Almost everything past that seems to be debatable but there isn't any branch of Christianity that would say you don't need God's Forgiveness and Grace for your Sins.

You can't answer that wrong while claiming to be Christian. Christians, for letting that slide or even worse making excuses for him about it is mind blowing hypocrisy. Like End Times False Prophet, False Christian Prophecy stuff.

Like being mislead by the Anti-Christ himself while some are looking around going "What the hell is going on??? Don't you people see what's happening??? Who you're following???" Like that.

I don't believe in the End Times stuff, but if I did I'd be yelling to everyone, "I see the signs Brother and Sisters. Here are the lost sheep following the Dark Deceiver to Slaughter, blinded by his lies!!"

Or something to that effect.