Russia Halted US lead coup of Turkey

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SO as per the article, Russia prevented the US lead coup in turkey by informing Turkey of what was going on. Apparently the coup was supposed to take place in August but the tip off by the Russians forced the Coup plotters to start the coup unprepared. The F-16 pilots which shot down the Russian Su-24 was working for the coup plotters and as per the Article were US implants.Their job was to drive a wedge between Turkey and Russia,it worked briefly. Putin's adviser personally met Melih Gokcek, Erdogans most trusted man and gave all information of the coup attempt.

Reason they did not shoot down Erdogans planes were because Erdogans planes were being Escorted by 7 Russian fighter Jets along with S-400 in northern Syria. Turkish F-16s were warned of being shot down if they ever picked up any activity from the F-16s. Erdogans has

F-16 pilots part of coup

Even Erdogan confirms that the F-16 pilots were part of the coup plot, and Turkey in another thread had openly blamed CIA and the United States for backing the coup attempt. Looks like these version of events are more plausible.

Another win for Russia in the geopolitical chess game.

a reply to: maddy21

Another win for Russia in the geopolitical chess game

No?

If anything Russia is trying their hardest to keep Turkey from joining the EU, and also fan the flames of Turkey being isolated/kicked from NATO.

There is zero rational doubt that the US, Russia, and UK all knew of this coup before it happened.

Reason they did not shoot down Erdogans planes were because Erdogans planes were being Escorted by 7 Russian fighter Jets

If it were a true coup, his plane would have been shot down.

Also, do you have a source for the wild and completely BS thought that 7 Russian jets would be escorting Erdogan?

a reply to: maddy21

It isn't the US is tired of Turkey, more like Turkey is tired of the West. US and EU need Turkey to remain part of NATO to justify using their country as a forward base to "Regime Change" Syria. Why would the US shoot itself the foot by fostering a coup and destabilizing Turkey?

Any division between US and Turkey benefits Russia, not the West.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: maddy21

It isn't the US is tired of Turkey, more like Turkey is tired of the West. US and EU need Turkey to remain part of NATO to justify using their country as a forward base to "Regime Change" Syria. Why would the US shoot itself the foot by fostering a coup and destabilizing Turkey?

Any division between US and Turkey benefits Russia, not the West.

Erdogan has his own designs and is really not that willing to be subservient to US and NATO. He also has been for years slowly and steadily removing elements in the military and govt. which he considers harmful. So i have to assume, longer Erdogan stayed in power more likely US influence of Turkey would have decreased. A successful coup in turkey would have put the Gullen Dude in US as the PM of Turkey. And Gullen is an obvious CIA mole.

As for Turkey joining EU, you will prey that is not the case. See the problems in Europe ? multiply that by 10 times if Turkey joins EU.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: maddy21
If anything Russia is trying their hardest to keep Turkey from joining the EU, and also fan the flames of Turkey being isolated/kicked from NATO.

Russia would like nothing more than Turkey to join EU, EU will burn itself to the ground from the flood of immigrants. ITs already causing Havoc in Europe with incidents of shooting , hacking and stabbing every single day.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: maddy21
If it were a true coup, his plane would have been shot down.

lol, you think this was a manufactured coup ? It was a real coup, and if they could have fire at Erdogan they would have fired and killed him.
What makes you think the coup is not real ?

originally posted by: Vector99
Also, do you have a source for the wild and completely BS thought that 7 Russian jets would be escorting Erdogan?

Umm, in the very first post itself ?

a reply to: maddy21

Erdogan has his own designs and is really not that willing to be subservient to US and NATO.

Could have fooled me...

a reply to: maddy21

Russia would like nothing more than Turkey to join EU, EU will burn itself to the ground from the flood of immigrants.

No, Russia would like more than anything to see an isolated Turkey right now.

lol, you think this was a manufactured coup ? It was a real coup, and if they wanted to fire at Erdogan they would have fired and killed him. What makes you think the coup is not real ?

Isn't the point of a coup to remove or replace the leadership? So this "coup" had THE opportune moment to be rid of Erdogan and they didn't? ты любишь водку?

So guys who were willing to join a coup which, if it failed would likely result in their own death, were too chicken# to shoot down the PMs plane because it would result in them being shot down?

Let me make that even more clear: guys who were willing to try and overthrow their government by violent means then decided to change their minds after they crossed the Rubicon and instead just flew around doing nothing.

Seems legit.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Let me make that even more clear: guys who were willing to try and overthrow their government by violent means then decided to change their minds after they crossed the Rubicon and instead just flew around doing nothing.

Seems legit.

Anyone that would believe that has obviously never met a Turk. Ever.

a reply to: maddy21

I've seen reports like this but not this one. After the coup attempt Erdogan stated he owed his life to Russia.

As the coup attempt was unfolding, the whole thing started to appear very bizarre in a phony sort of way to me, as if it was a false flag, and I began to think Erdogan had staged it to purge his ranks. I wrote about this in another thread the night of the coup. I found out other people were thinking the same thing.

I've a very benevolent view of Putin because I've been observing what he says and does for a long time.

If this is the real story it would further affirm a lot of my thoughts about Putin and team.

If U.S. factions were behind this Boris Badenov-type coup attempt, and once again one of their plots was foiled because Putin has unique intel sources, I would hope these U.S. factions get the (freaking) message!!!

Erdogan behaves a lot like factions within the U.S. government so it's not like a "good guy's" behind was spared if the story is true.

Apparently, when Erdogan apologized to Putin about the downed planes, Erdogan's trajectory in life changed.

I have to think about this more because there's still some parts of this whole scenario which bother me.

Thanks for posting!

a reply to: tweetie

I've seen reports like this but not this one. After the coup attempt Erdogan stated he owed his life to Russia.

Do you have a non-Russian source for that?

As the coup attempt was unfolding, the whole thing started to appear very bizarre in a phony sort of way to me, as if it was a false flag, and I began to think Erdogan had staged it to purge his ranks. I wrote about this in another thread the night of the coup. I found out other people were thinking the same thing.

Yes, the coup was almost certainly staged to provide Erdogan with a pretext for a major purge.

I've a very benevolent view of Putin because I've been observing what he says and does for a long time.

You have a benevolent view of Putin because you listen to what he says and ignore what he actually does.

a reply to: maddy21

Even Erdogan confirms that the F-16 pilots were part of the coup plot, and Turkey in another thread had openly blamed CIA and the United States for backing the coup attempt. Looks like these version of events are more plausible.

WHy?

They have now said the US is and was not behind the coup...the Turkish PM says this.

“Turkey and the US have had friendly, amicable relations, allies and strategic partners for a very long time, and we do not believe that they are going to stand by the leader of this terrorist organisation,” Yildirim said.

“Of course, since the leader of this terrorist organisation is residing in the United States there are question marks in the minds of the people whether there is any US involvement or backing,” he said in an interview with the Guardian, taking care to note that Washington was not involved in the coup attempt. “So America from this point on should really think how they will continue to cooperate with Turkey, which is a strategic ally for them in the region and world.”

www.theguardian.com...

Guess that US plausibility just went out the window when the Turkish government says they were not involved.

a reply to: DJW001

I don't recall at what website I saw the words stated by Erdogan that Russia saved his life but I will spend some time later looking around. The statement stuck in my mind but not the website.

Please don't change my words. I stated I've a very benevolent view of Putin because I've been observing what he says and does for a long time. I can't help how you interpret what he does and from what paradigm you interpret it from but you're entitled to that interpretation as it suits you. You're not entitled to change my words to fit your personal interpretation.

a reply to: tweetie

Please don't change my words. I stated I've a very benevolent view of Putin because I've been observing what he says and does for a long time.

So you believe him when he said he believes in "self determination " even though he fought a bloody war to prevent Chechniya from doing that? You believed him when he said that the green men in the streets of Crimea were not Russian, then believed him when he praised them as Russian troops? (Let's not even get in to the MH-13 fantasyland!)

a reply to: tweetie

I don't recall at what website I saw the words stated by Erdogan that Russia saved his life but I will spend some time later looking around

Why not now ? I too would like to see that one

a reply to: tweetie

I've been observing what he says and does for a long time.

Then you have witnessed the way he treats the LGBT community in Russia?

THen you have witnessed how he treats those who oppose his rule?

The way he and his government have taken private owned businesses for the good of the government?

The way he has taken control of private media for the good of the government?

The way he lied about why he annexed Crimea?

The way he lied about Ukraine?

I guess you interpret those as being good things, because I have yet to even mention the killing of innocent civilians as his way to go into Chechnya and cement his rise to power. So exactly how would you interpret these things?

a reply to: Gothmog

Why not now ?

Mandela Effect...

a reply to: tweetie

I don't recall at what website I saw the words stated by Erdogan that Russia saved his life but I will spend some time later looking around. The statement stuck in my mind but not the website.

Interesting that Russia says they have no information on the involvement of Russian intelligence knowing about the coup...

The spokesman for the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, said he had no information about Russian intelligence's involvement in warning Erdogan about the attempt.

and Erdogan has said he heard about it from his brother in law...

Almost at the same time as the reports of Russia's involvement in the victory of Erdogan emerged, the Turkish president himself offered a different version in an interview with the Qatari TV channel Al Jazeera. According to Erdogan, he was first told about the preparations for the coup by his brother-in-law. At first he did not believe this information, but decided to take action after a conversation with the head of the MIT. Together with his family, he left Marmaris on a helicopter and headed to Istanbul.

rbth.com...

Pretty sure if Russia did warn him the presidential spokesman would have said they did, but the fact that he has no knowledge shows they didn't and if anyone would know he should as nothing is done without the presidents knowledge in Russia.

And Putin would be eating this up as a way to thumb his nose as the US.

a reply to: maddy21

Your source is macedoniaonline.eu?

Really?

a reply to: intrptr

Not if the current administration in Turkey is growing tired of western influence. Which they are.
The op sounds legit to me.
My only fear is what will they (us) try next?