Donald Trump: Gnawing on a Bonehead

I have fought and fought and fought with every rational bone in my head, to show that Donald Trump is not suitable to be President of the United States.

I have tremendous respect for Webster Tarpley as a political analyst and historian and Mr. Tarpley is convinced that Donald Trump would be very dangerous for America, that he would degenerate into an overreaching fascist strongman, and would resonate with and strengthen every worst impulse to racism, isolationism, militarism and bellicosity to which America is susceptible.

I find American biblical-isms slightly nauseating but for the sake of authenticity, I will use the word, in saying that, at least Donald Trump has "rebuked" the candidacy of David Duke, but the mere fact that there is a Duke candidacy, inspired by Trump, illustrates my point, derived from Tarpley, that a darker aspect of American society resonates with Donald Trump.

Is Trump the first candidate ever to be endorsed by "bikers"? You see what I mean?

One thing I have noticed on ATS, since Donald Trump announced his candidacy and began to show his campaigning style during the primary contests, is that the message being sent out by many of Mr. Trump's supporters might be summed up as, "Don't pay any attention to what Donald Trump says. He is what America needs and is going to do a good job."

If Donald Trump was in concurrence with that attitude, all of his campaign speeches could be factored down to, "Trust me. Vote for me. I will do what needs to be done to get America back on track."

Even Conrad Black (yes I know who Conrad Black is and something of his roller coaster life) has written an anodyne estimation of what a Trump presidency is likely to bring, without any reference to Mr. Trump's actual statements, other than a dismissal of them as "shtick".:

news.nationalpost.com...

Now that Trump is the nominee, having come from the political wilderness and paid for his own campaign, he will drastically scale back the stylistic infelicities (which are as disagreeable to me as to most serious people, but are just part of his shtick). He is not ideological and will make the system work — he is, as he never tires of telling us, a deal-maker. In foreign policy, he will be neither trigger-happy like George W., nor an other-worldly pacifist like Obama.

This kind of thing is distressing to those of us who are not personal acquaintances of Mr. Trump, as Lord Black is, or family members, like Mr. Trump's enthusiastic children, or pie eyed optimists like many Trump supporters on ATS.

There is nothing positive about Mr. Trump for a rational voter to cite as a reason for voting for him.

It is not a plus for Mr. Trump to think that things are a mess. Everybody thinks that things are a mess. Trump is just joining the club.

Trump has said a lot of things, on the other hand, that might cause a voter to be wary of him. His views on economic matters are disturbing because, for Mr. Trump, defaulting on debt is just another tool in his business toolbox.

That might work well for property developers but in the international arena the repercussions of unilaterally devaluing all your IOUs are more serious. It becomes harder to do business when you are known as the world's biggest welcher.

That is an element of Mr. Trump's campaign that is not just "shtick" and that rational voters will hold on to.

Of course we are still at an early point in the campaign. Hopefully Mr. Trump will flesh out his economic ideas, but probably not.

Trump supporters just know that Mr. Trump will do the right thing, handle America's problems successfully, renegotiate the trade deals in ways that will improve America's position without unduly tipping the balance on the world's applecart.

Trump's support is largely faith based, you see.

Meanwhile, what has Mr. Trump been up to lately, that might indicate what sort of hand would be on the tiller in a Trump presidency?

www.bloomberg.com...

Donald Trump plans to create and fund super-PACs specifically aimed at ending the political careers of Ted Cruz and John Kasich should either run for office again, after both snubbed the Republican nominee during his party's convention this week, a person familiar with Trump’s thinking told Bloomberg Politics on Friday.

Donald Trump confirmed his plans during an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press" broadcast on Sunday, saying "I'll probably do a super-PAC, you know, when they run - against Kasich for $10 million, to $20 million against Ted Cruz."

Trump added that there may be "one other person that [he's] thinking about" starting an outside group against, but that unnamed individual is "such a small person" that he "hates to give him the publicity."

Former nomination rival Jeb Bush is apparently not the third person being eyed by Trump, even after skipping the convention and refusing to back the Republican nominee. On Friday Trump said he “does not care” about targeting t Bush because the former Florida governor is already “destroyed.”

I'm sorry folks but that is just a little too much in the vein of a famous German dictator for me. (If you'll forgive a Canadian reference, even Conrad Black had enough humanity in him not to wreck Peter C. Newman when he had the chance to.)

I can't back this kind of person. I don't care how many hotels he's built.

is this the best response people can come up for with the massive leaks taking about the corruption of the democratic party?

Trump reminds me of Chavez, perhaps a populist strongman is really what America needs, some times they do work right, right?

America will be fine, potus is a puppet anyways

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Evidently.

Also, DAVID DUKE WAS DEMOCRAT BEFORE HE WAS A REPUBLICAN.

Dems seem to forget that.

originally posted by: thesungod
a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Evidently.

Also, DAVID DUKE WAS DEMOCRAT BEFORE HE WAS A REPUBLICAN.

Dems seem to forget that.

So was Trump.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Many including myself don't like trump.

However, Hillary and the DNC have done the impossible and made trump look like a cub scout.

Duke the filthy racist likes Trump.

So Trump is guilty and would be horrible cause Duke decided to run.

Guilt by inspiration ? The Founders couldn't foresee that ?

The Country is broke...We have a Businessman vs. a Criminal.

Seems like an easy choice to me.

The Dems had their chance...***Go aahead, I'm waiting, blame Bush...

Convicted or not, she committed perjury, multiple counts. Trump...no.

a reply to: whyamIhere

Obviously, it was Jeb fault for not having charisma, he was supposed to be the one...

Wait? wrong bush?

a reply to: Hazardous1408

I know. Amazing isn't it.

People just forget what it was like to have a president with balls.

 "Trust me. Vote for me. I will do what needs to be done to get America back on track." 

All politicians in the history of politicians have given their version of the above and all but a very few were full of #.

The difference with the stuff Trump talks about is that its stuff people can see affecting their lives in a positive practical way.

Even if hes lying at least hes got the courtesy to lie about stuff that you actually care about

a reply to: ipsedixit

Openly threatening to demolish the competition who would not submit and grovel.
And how can we forget the statement " I am the only one who can make America truly great again!''
'I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN MAKE AMERICA TRULY GREAT AGAIN'

Sounds like a self proclaimed Messianic proclamation.

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

Vladimir Putin has spoken favorably of Donald Trump. In Europe there is a degree of alarm connected to the idea that Mr. Trump and President Putin would seem to share a negative view of NATO.

Some people believe that Wikileaks' exposure of DNC emails showing favoritism by Democratic Party officials toward Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders actually originated via the good offices of Russian hackers attempting to influence the general election in the US to the benefit of Donald Trump.

It looks as if there may well have been a "stop Bernie" movement among the Dems, just as there was a "stop Trump" movement in the GOP.

www.washingtonpost.com... 5-957ad17b4385_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_dnchack-315pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

A top official with Hillary Clinton’s campaign on Sunday accused the Russian government of orchestrating the release of damaging Democratic Party records to help the campaign of Republican Donald Trump — and some cybersecurity experts agree.

The extraordinary charge came as some national security officials have been growing increasingly concerned about possible efforts by Russia to meddle in the election, according to several individuals familiar with the situation.

Late last week, hours before the records were released by the website Wikileaks, the White House convened a high-level security meeting to discuss reports that Russia had hacked into systems at the Democratic National Committee.

originally posted by: In4ormant
People just forget what it was like to have a president with balls.

Shurely Hillary Clinton is just as capable of reminding them as Donald Trump is.

It's easy to make conjecture.

It's harder to swallow lies proven.

originally posted by: ipsedixit

originally posted by: In4ormant
People just forget what it was like to have a president with balls.

Shurely Hillary Clinton is just as capable of reminding them as Donald Trump is.

If you had to replace Kennedy with Hillary or Trump in the Cuban missile crisis.........

Seriously

a reply to: ipsedixit

I know that people are fond of comparing Trump to Hitler, but I think that's giving him too much credit. At least Hitler had a plan.

I found myself often thinking of Mussolini because of the unapologetic worship of dominance, but honestly even he was considerably more thoughtful than Trump.

I don't think there is a parallel in recent history to Trump unless we start digging around in third-world petty dictatorships.

So, I'm hesitant to make comparisons, but I do think there are conspicuous parallels in a general sense to the rhetoric that he uses and the public response to other times in history when nihilism had sunk it's teeth into the collective subconscious. It is deeply disturbing.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Thread has just started and you have used two DNC talking points.
- Donald Trump's 'dark side'.
-Blame the Russians for what the DNC and Hillary did.

Have you read about how the DNC wrote false news stories and gave them to Reuters?

Why back something that stinks this much?