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You Can Be Pro-Cop and Pro-BLM

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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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Is the American political/social landscape so polarized that you must take a stance on one side of a debate, yet cannot support the other side at the same time? I fear that is the norm these days. When we support one cause, we assume that we cannot support any arguments from the other side because they oppose each other. There is an inherent hypocrisy that we are able to logically justify in our minds.

But that is illogical. We can support both sides of an issue.

For example, as is explained in this video, we can support the police and respect the job that they do, but we can also acknowledge that there is a systemic problem that must be addressed.



At what point do we recognize that both sides of such a debate have a valid argument? At what point do we hold police officers accountable and also force groups like BLM to admit that it is not just the police that need to make changes?

When we can make admissions from both sides of the debate that changes need to be made, we will see real progress. Until then, we only stand to further divide ourselves along ideological lines and progress becomes even less likely.

It's time to make conscious efforts and address these problems. Continuing to separate each other along ideological lines does not address the issue and it only creates and environment in which more lives are lost, of both police officers and black Americans.




posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: introvert

False.

There is no way to support two opposite things at the same time. You cannot be a good evil person or vice versa.

You can pretend and maybe even fool yourself, but not others.


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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: introvert

False.

There is no way to support two opposite things at the same time. You cannot be a good evil person or vice versa.

You can pretend and maybe even fool yourself, but not others.



Why can't you support both, admit faults within both, and yet push for reforms in both groups involved?

Edit:

Good vs. evil is a religious aspect. It has no place in a logic-based debate.
edit on 24-7-2016 by introvert because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: introvert

From the BLM, all I've seen is hatred towards police.

Where is BLM supporting police?



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

From the BLM, all I've seen is hatred towards police.

Where is BLM supporting police?


That is irrelevant.

The point is that you can support our officers and still acknowledge the issues/complaints that a group like BLM may have.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: introvert

False.

There is no way to support two opposite things at the same time. You cannot be a good evil person or vice versa.

You can pretend and maybe even fool yourself, but not others.




Logic like all BLM supporters call for the killing of cops? Logic like the false dichtomoy you're attempting to paint? What logic?
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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: Tsubaki

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: introvert

False.

There is no way to support two opposite things at the same time. You cannot be a good evil person or vice versa.

You can pretend and maybe even fool yourself, but not others.



Because

Why can't you support both, admit faults within both, and yet push for reforms in both groups involved?

Edit:

Good vs. evil is a religious aspect. It has no place in a logic-based debate.



Logic like all BLM supporters call for the killing of cops? Logic like the false dichtomoy you're attempting to paint? What logic?


Not all BLM supporters call for the killing of cops. Not all cops shoot black people because they are black.

Are you guys missing the point here?



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:29 PM
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Black Lives Matter creates division in its name alone.

It SCREAMS us against them.

It should have been stopped before it began.

The movement of Equal Treatment does not need a name that SCREAMS division.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:29 PM
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Have you told that to the hierarchy of BLM?
THEY don't seem to agree with their press.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Sorry, misquoted, this was directed at the other poster



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

From the BLM, all I've seen is hatred towards police.

Where is BLM supporting police?


That is irrelevant.

The point is that you can support our officers and still acknowledge the issues/complaints that a group like BLM may have.


I can't take BLM seriously.

They hold one standard for cops.
They don't hold the same standard for politicians who write the laws that cops enforce.
And they don't even follow the laws that the politicians write that the cops enforce.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
Black Lives Matter creates division in its name alone.

It SCREAMS us against them.

It should have been stopped before it began.

The movement of Equal Treatment does not need a name that SCREAMS division.



I agree. Can you not agree that we need to look at both sides and not dismiss their grievances outright?



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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what does BLM want? what is their demands?
What laws are they demanding change in order to give them...equal protected status as asians, whites, and latinos that is currently not on the books?

What is the point? If they are demanding some changes such as every death automatically initiates a neutral party investigation and all cops to wear a body camera, sure. I am all about that..not sure why its called blm..should be "accountability in enforcement" movement or something.

But what is the actual point



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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It looks like the OP has gone over a few of the members heads.

A person (as in an individual) can support both causes.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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You Can Be Pro-Cop and Pro-BLM

The Epitome of trying to have it both ways.


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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

From the BLM, all I've seen is hatred towards police.

Where is BLM supporting police?


That is irrelevant.

The point is that you can support our officers and still acknowledge the issues/complaints that a group like BLM may have.


I can't take BLM seriously.

They hold one standard for cops.
They don't hold the same standard for politicians who write the laws that cops enforce.
And they don't even follow the laws that the politicians write that the cops enforce.


Who are the 'they' you are referring to? All BLM members ? Supporters? All Black people?



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:34 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: introvert

From the BLM, all I've seen is hatred towards police.

Where is BLM supporting police?


That is irrelevant.

The point is that you can support our officers and still acknowledge the issues/complaints that a group like BLM may have.


I can't take BLM seriously.

They hold one standard for cops.
They don't hold the same standard for politicians who write the laws that cops enforce.
And they don't even follow the laws that the politicians write that the cops enforce.


I'm talking about how we, as logical people, approach the issues.

Do we have to take one side or the other? Can we not see the value in both?



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX
what does BLM want? what is their demands?
What laws are they demanding change in order to give them...equal protected status as asians, whites, and latinos that is currently not on the books?

What is the point? If they are demanding some changes such as every death automatically initiates a neutral party investigation and all cops to wear a body camera, sure. I am all about that..not sure why its called blm..should be "accountability in enforcement" movement or something.

But what is the actual point


You can read more about BLM here



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: introvert




I'm talking about how we, as logical people, approach the issues.


LOGIC dictates that you don't manufacture 'victims' out of career criminals.

That's a start.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:37 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert




I'm talking about how we, as logical people, approach the issues.


LOGIC dictates that you don't manufacture 'victims' out of career criminals.

That's a start.


Ok. Can we still not agree with both sides and support both sides, without taking a partisan stance based on politics?



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