Trump Supporters, Your Thoughts On This Please.

originally posted by: Lab4Us
I always find it enlightening when folks like the OP only post dirt on one candidate when there is decades of dirt on the other. As I've mentioned elsewhere, my preference was that both parties came out with different candidates following the conventions...seems that isn't going to happen. Having a choice of living under a Mob Boss (HRC), who a good number of politicians are likely, and rightfully, afraid of for both themselves and their families (search Clinton - mysterious deaths - but not in Google, likely won't show up), or a businessman with zero political experience that can likely be controlled by the House and Senate and VP, I'll take Trump, thank you very much.

The thing is, nobody supports Clinton. However there are hordes of fervent Trump supporters. Why would I make an OP to prove a point that's been proven a million times. Step outside the box and support neither! It won't kill you I promise.

a reply to: humanityrising

I think they are THAT worried SHE MIGHT get in.After Obama things are getting crazy.
It just isn't worth it to vote a third party.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

Yes, this exactly. I will not waste a third party vote and be responsible for the queen to get into the WH. I should have put a caveat my original post in this thread that I am a true independent. I have voted republican, democratic, and third party (Ross Perot - that's how I learned that lesson). I would have voted for Bernie Sanders over Trump, though I am not a Bernie Sanders acolyte (he just would have been the better option between the two for the country).

I know I can't prove this, but I actually voted for Obama vice Clinton in 2008 primary - Independents in Texas can choose which party to vote in the Primaries - (to do everything I could to keep her out), and again for Obama in 2012. I was really left no choice with the candidates the Republicans offered up - mainly Palin in 08 and Romney in 2012. I could have voted McCain with a reasonable VP - just could not imagine, even to this day, Sarah Palin taking the reigns.

Edit - and with the no-shows of Bush/Bush/Bush/Romney at the RNC tells me I was exactly right to vote against Romney!

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: humanityrising

It just isn't worth it to vote a third party.

Well for me it is, because I see the same result happening if either one is elected.

For someone like yourself, who thinks these candidates are truly fundamentally opposed and that your choice makes a difference...maybe it's not worth it right now, in this election. But in the scheme of things I believe it is absolutely worth it. The two-party scam can't work forever. We might be on the losing side for now but if the eventual result is more choices in our elections, that will be a huge victory.

There will always be those who think voting for the lesser evil is better, and those who think voting for the lesser evil is still supporting evil. It really is a catch 22. This system is brilliantly designed to keep the overall agenda on track no matter what the public or political climate is like. Through legislation the constitution and its purpose have become nothing but historical artifact. The question is, what can be done? Just going with the usual flow is going to dig us deeper.

a reply to: humanityrising

I'm afraid a dark inevitavble reckoning is comming.
I haven't the intelligence to convince others or they think I'm a liar.

a reply to: humanityrising

Your opinions neither disappoint me nor please me, so no need for any apology from you. I simply don't share your concerns.

originally posted by: Lab4Us
a reply to: cavtrooper7

Yes, this exactly. I will not waste a third party vote and be responsible for the queen to get into the WH. I should have put a caveat my original post in this thread that I am a true independent. I have voted republican, democratic, and third party (Ross Perot - that's how I learned that lesson). I would have voted for Bernie Sanders over Trump, though I am not a Bernie Sanders acolyte (he just would have been the better option between the two for the country).

I know I can't prove this, but I actually voted for Obama vice Clinton in 2008 primary - Independents in Texas can choose which party to vote in the Primaries - (to do everything I could to keep her out), and again for Obama in 2012. I was really left no choice with the candidates the Republicans offered up - mainly Palin in 08 and Romney in 2012. I could have voted McCain with a reasonable VP - just could not imagine, even to this day, Sarah Palin taking the reigns.

Edit - and with the no-shows of Bush/Bush/Bush/Romney at the RNC tells me I was exactly right to vote against Romney!

I voted Kerry in '04, Obama '08, wrote in Ron Paul in '12, and will probably write someone in or vote 3rd party if possible this time. Like most I was sickened by the criminality of the Bush regime, and had just turned old enough to vote, so naturally I was a bleeding heart, to the horror of my entire extended family of republicans. More Bush lies and disasters later, I believed Obama when he said he would reinvestigate 9/11, stop the drug war, close gitmo, end the Patriot Act, etc...all LIES.

After his blatant deception I became quite disillusioned, re-thought many of my political beliefs, and thankfully found inspiration and truth in Ron Paul's words. I have never seen a candidate so aggressively blackballed and ignored for speaking the truth. What Trump supporters don't seem to understand is that if the establishment really wanted Trump out of the picture they would have given him the Ron Paul treatment. All this coverage is part of the plan, and mud-slinging is no match for media-blackout when trying to ruin someone politically. The guy was getting 20 seconds to the other candidates' 3 minutes of talking during debates, at which raving supporters cheered him on, giving him standing ovations and booing the other fakers. He had overwhelming support from the military, as Trump does not(majority is supporting Johnson this time), and the biggest grassroots campaign at the time. But they shut him down. You just can't make it as far as Trump has without playing ball.

I might have supported Rand Paul this time around if he had stayed true to his ideals instead suddenly going establishment in the blink of an eye, something which I find highly suspicious actually, but that's a conversation for another day. So this year I'm not really sure what to do. I'll probably vote Johnson if possible as I am aligned with him on many issues, his support is at 8% and growing. It's totally plausible for him to get the 15% needed to bring some sanity into the general debate, and with the climate the way it is, it's not going to be a Ralph Nader or even Ross Perot scenario; there are enough pissed off, disenchanted people to possibly make a difference this time. Assuming it's not ALL RIGGED from the get-go, as I truly believe it is...so...yeah.

I guess where I'm at, basically, is how many times does the system have to let you down before you lose all faith in it? Would you give a human being this many chances after so many huge failures and deceptions? I don't think Jeff from HR would get the same support, and neither should our joke of a government.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: humanityrising

Your opinions neither disappoint me nor please me, so no need for any apology from you. I simply don't share your concerns.

Fair enough

a reply to: humanityrising

Sorry, perhaps my statement was unclear.

Politics, I take seriously. I have been voting for the last 12 years without fail. I'm not partisan, in fact, this will be my first time voting republican for president.

What I don't take seriously is all of the anti-Trump stuff.

It is a whole lot of unfounded fear and very little substance.

The opposition, on the other hand, plenty of solid sh!t on her.... But she gets a pass I guess because vagina? I really don't understand how she isn't being cuffed as I type.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: humanityrising

I'm afraid a dark inevitavble reckoning is comming.
I haven't the intelligence to convince others or they think I'm a liar.

I'm sad to say you might be right. I would hope the darkest parts of it could be avoided, but that would require a concerted effort to be reasonable, and we all know that won't happen. This is when moving to the arctic and living in an igloo with my guitar and beautiful eskimo wife starts to look good...I'm about ready to jump ship.

a reply to: humanityrising

I guess they'll figure it out over their families bodies.
TRULLY a gate of hell to pass through.
Unless the aliens show up...which MIGHT not be a good thing either...
I have to fight and or die as who I am.
It 's WHY I became a soldier to test myself so I could be strong with my convictions.
I won't take my own life but ...as ashamed as I am to admit it I don't WANT to live right now.
The ONLY reason I haven't receded and done so is because after having 2 close friends do it I won't leave my WIFE alone in this. Death would be preferable to seeing it all fall around us.
I KEEP ....MY ...OATH .. a cost of pain.
THTATS life for me, THANK GOD for weed.

originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
a reply to: humanityrising

Sorry, perhaps my statement was unclear.

Politics, I take seriously. I have been voting for the last 12 years without fail. I'm not partisan, in fact, this will be my first time voting republican for president.

What I don't take seriously is all of the anti-Trump stuff.

It is a whole lot of unfounded fear and very little substance.

The opposition, on the other hand, plenty of solid sh!t on her.... But she gets a pass I guess because vagina? I really don't understand how she isn't being cuffed as I type.

Agree with you on Hillary, but not on Trump. The guy oozes slime. His pandering is so blatant, his lack of intention to follow through on promises so obvious. I consider myself a pretty good judge of character, and this guy rubs me the wrong way. I'm also aware that people's unfounded devotion to him is a direct result of his projection of confidence, and any psychologist will tell you that's really all one needs to gain followers. He lies. A lot. I think people just really want him to be who he says he is, so they're going all in with him. But his gradual transition from 'outsider' to insider is taking place right before our eyes as his cabinet, VP, and general entourage are starting to materialize. The guy never was an outsider.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: humanityrising

I guess they'll figure it out over their families bodies.
TRULLY a gate of hell to pass through.
Unless the aliens show up...which MIGHT not be a good thing either...
I have to fight and or die as who I am.
It 's WHY I became a soldier to test myself so I could be strong with my convictions.
I won't take my own life but ...as ashamed as I am to admit it I don't WANT to live right now.
The ONLY reason I haven't receded and done so is because after having 2 close friends do it I won't leave my WIFE alone in this. Death would be preferable to seeing it all fall around us.
I KEEP ....MY ...OATH .. a cost of pain.
THTATS life for me, THANK GOD for weed.

I hear you. Life is clusterf*ck. No one is holding it together on the inside no matter how much they try to project it on the outside. This is where I start to wonder about my priorities; am I caring about the right things? I feel like the more invested I am in the fake news and fake politics forced down my throat, the less happy I am in general. I'm in a state of flux. Wondering if I can still take the blue pill...

a reply to: humanityrisingHad reservations about him from the start,however how can he be worse than Obama or Bush?Clinton would,he might,but in my lifetime, 55 yrs,only 2 have been worth a damn,Kennedy and Reagan and they both had flaws too.It`s mostly his picks for the supreme court that solidified my vote,I don`t want socialists running that.

a reply to: humanityrising

Stay true to your gut until logic dictates otherwise ,the GAME is confuse and divide.
I don't play that and my knuckle dragging attitude backs it up.
BLUNTLY unfortunately ,some think its hostility ,others think its PTSD insanity, the forum is WARNING me ...to no avail.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So no one has addressed it, just deflection.

It is simple, Trump knows how to say what people want to hear, that is what sales is and he is a salesman.
He does the same tricks as the politicians just doesn't hold the billet yet.

Ohhh and Hillary doesn't! She flip flops more on issue's then any politician! She was anti keystone pipeline until she or should I say Bill was paid a boatload by TD bank and then wallah she is like lets do the pipeline!

She is a political whore of the worst kind! Pay to play all over the world! Nigeria, Congo, Haiti, Columbia, Russia, India you name Bil gets paid big bucks for a speech and all the sudden the US changes path all thanks to Hillary.

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So no one has addressed it, just deflection.

It is simple, Trump knows how to say what people want to hear, that is what sales is and he is a salesman.
He does the same tricks as the politicians just doesn't hold the billet yet.

Ohhh and Hillary doesn't!

Classic response. Can they not both be liars?

a reply to: humanityrising

Seems that was BEFORE he Ran for Public Office when associating with the Social Elite was all part of doing Business . I bet you could find Numerous Other Videos of a Hillary Clinton Praising Mr. Trump on Numerous occasions . So your Point Is >?

originally posted by: humanityrising

originally posted by: sirlancelot

originally posted by: Sremmos80
So no one has addressed it, just deflection.

It is simple, Trump knows how to say what people want to hear, that is what sales is and he is a salesman.
He does the same tricks as the politicians just doesn't hold the billet yet.

Ohhh and Hillary doesn't!

Classic response. Can they not both be liars?

Nice try! Anyone with a brain knows a vote for anyone but Trump is a de facto vote for Hillary! The polls support this. Soros is funding Johnson to pull votes away from Trump and the media is protecting Hillary and demonizing Trump. Ironic after Trumps speech almost every single news organization has phrases that are similar with the word "Dark" used by all. They all must have ran it by the DNC and Hillary for approval like the DNC wikileak emails!

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: humanityrising
So your Point Is >?

Read the whole thread and you'll get an idea of it