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Gary Johnson Scary Stance On Immigration

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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
The LAW isn't broke. It just keeps getting ignored.


It most certainly is broke. When it is tortuous and cumbersome and filled with quotas it is broken.




posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
A group of people that think so little of the LAWS of this country are people this country does not need nor want.


They think enough to come here to work but we think very little of them to offer them a chance for citizenship. By making emigrating here easier you get both, new workers and a higher tax base.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock
When a person is working here paying no tax and sending it home and some american company is not paying tax on that labor.......they are both on the dole.


Which is why if you let people come here legally you do not have that problem.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: neo96

We have been taken over. Others in government and important positions to influence outcomes, dumbazzes and 5th columnists, don't believe that you and me have the right to a sovereign economic and immigration policy or a government by the people.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: neo96
The LAW isn't broke. It just keeps getting ignored.


It most certainly is broke. When it is tortuous and cumbersome and filled with quotas it is broken.


No it's not.




They think enough to come here to work but we think very little of them to offer them a chance for citizenship. By making emigrating here easier you get both, new workers and a higher tax base.


Well that would be a neat trick considering the resources here are finite.

The land of opportunity has to have OPPORTUNITY.

NOt a whole lot of that going around.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Logarock




We have been taken over.


My cherokee ancestry agrees.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
No it's not.


If you actually tried to apply for citizenship there is a good chance you would get denied.




Well that would be a neat trick considering the resources here are finite.


And what resources are those?

The status quo leads to stagnation and economic decline.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Logarock
When a person is working here paying no tax and sending it home and some american company is not paying tax on that labor.......they are both on the dole.


Which is why if you let people come here legally you do not have that problem.



You don't understand......90% of all Mexicans for example that have worked in the US over the past several decades don't wish to move here. They work cheep by our standards but when money is sent home and exchanged they do quite well. Cant really blame them if the door is open and they work here for a year or two and return wealthy to Mexico. Thats whats going on here.

Not your poor huddled and unwashed masses yearning to breath free.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: Logarock
You don't understand......90% of all Mexicans for example that have worked in the US over the past several decades don't wish to move here.


Then they do not get citizenship. Instead of having numerous redundant agencies like ICE those resources could be allocated to cracking down on hiring practices to ensure that only citizens and those that want to be are being hired which grows the tax base.

I do not want anyone here that is not a citizen or is working towards becoming a citizen (with very few exceptions).



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: Snarl
Libertarians are Liberals.

That's all one needs to know.


Democrats are Social neoliberals/Moral authoritarians. They want to use the government to force people to be moral or remedy a social wronging or imbalance.

Republicans are conservative authoritarians.They want to use government force to retain thier social values and status quo.

Libertarians(in America) are mostly classical liberals/minarchists.They want to reduce government to a bare minimum and let individuals(of any race or religion) have the most social and financial freedom possible.
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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:54 PM
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What libertarians want for individuals is not what those individuals want for themselves.
Do libertarians, which are almost all exclusively western educated above average IQ white males think that they will actually convert mass groups of people who have values greatly different than theirs?

Game theory is being played out as predicted. western civilizations have been able to be more libertarian due to the fact they have created high trust societies, and philosophical beliefs from the enlightenment and christian beliefs. When another group who does hold these values comes into contact and immigrates to these countries they employ a double agent strategy. This is played out in the new immigrants populations especially the muslim populations.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: jellyrev
What libertarians want for individuals is not what those individuals want for themselves.
Most people want the most freedom for themselves and their families. Both financially and socially. All human beings want freedom and self determination.How many people want complete strangers deciding their future.
Do libertarians, which are almost all exclusively western educated above average IQ white males think that they will actually convert mass groups of people who have values greatly different than theirs?

Education and free flow of information.The antidote for authoritarianism and extremism.

Game theory is being played out as predicted. western civilizations have been able to be more libertarian due to the fact they have created high trust societies, and philosophical beliefs from the enlightenment and christian beliefs. When another group who does hold these values comes into contact and immigrates to these countries they employ a double agent strategy. This is played out in the new immigrants populations especially the muslim populations.



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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: jellyrev
What libertarians want for individuals is not what those individuals want for themselves.
Most people want the most freedom for themselves and their families. Both financially and socially. All human beings want freedom and self determination.How many people want complete strangers deciding their future.They want freedom financially and socially for themselves and their in group. Libertarians need to stop being blind to ingroup preferences. Humans form into hierarchical groups and into ingroups. Groups will form and try to seek advantage over other groups.
Do libertarians, which are almost all exclusively western educated above average IQ white males think that they will actually convert mass groups of people who have values greatly different than theirs?

Education and free flow of information.The antidote for authoritarians and extremists.
I don't disagree, 1.5 years ago I would be in full agreement with you. I kept going though. I never concluded that libertarianism was the end all. Continue with your education. If someday everyone embraces the NAP then perhaps. I have a dismal view of that as I don't believe those of an IQ under 90 can juggle libertarianism in their daily lives, they are too self centered. Lower IQ has lower long term views, believing what feels right must be right much more often. I doubt the cognitive capacity in many to be able to suppress their emotions and instincts for libertopia to work
Game theory is being played out as predicted. western civilizations have been able to be more libertarian due to the fact they have created high trust societies, and philosophical beliefs from the enlightenment and christian beliefs. When another group who does hold these values comes into contact and immigrates to these countries they employ a double agent strategy. This is played out in the new immigrants populations especially the muslim populations.



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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 10:27 PM
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They still want freedom for themselves and that is a start. In-group preference is missing the point.You will not have ANY real freedom without libertarian policies.For your group or any group. Humans form organized social groups yes libertarians are not against social organization. We are against a centralized monopoly of force. We are not trying to change human nature. We just want the maximum empowerment of the individual so that groups seeking an advantage over them are not going to get far because they are empowered.

Democrats are authoritarian and so are the Republicans.
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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: sirlancelot

Well, screw that.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 10:37 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Logarock




We have been taken over.


My cherokee ancestry agrees.


Yeah, by everyone



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: jellyrev

Authoritarians have a low opinion of people. They are too stupid so ____. They are so selfish so ____. They are too greedy so ____.

I think people are smart enough to want something better for themselves. Selfish enough to want personal freedom. Greedy enough to want economic freedom.

Well it is always a branding and marketing problem. Why do people like cola-cola,nike and nfl football?
Excellent marketing. Great branding.

Libertarianism(all forms of libertarianism classical liberalism,minarchism,libertarian socialism etc) is marketed really poorly. It is like we are promoting to college students or academics. No. You market libertarianism like an apple product. We provide financial freedoms. Democrats do not. We provide social freedoms. Republicans don't.

We have to sell why libertarianism is good and what personal gain will you get out of it.

Democrats = Free stuff from government to business and some token crumbs to the people via social programs. Hurt the rich people with higher taxes. Social freedoms. Civil rights.

Republicans = Free stuff from the government to business.Keeps my culture the same.Keeps my family safe.Tough on crime. Police the world to keep us safe.

Libertarians = extremely scaled back taxes across the board(thus more money for you and more jobs for all). Social freedoms. No pro-active wars. Civil rights. Will end the drug war. Decriminalize drugs (and treat them as a medical problem and keeping millions of people from going to jail or prison). Gay marriage(government has no place in marriage).

Problem is we do a poor job at selling those policies to people.
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posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 12:50 AM
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The US has survived and sometimes thrived under somewhat polar opposite rule of republicans and democrats. Libertarian is somewhere in-between and the US would survive or thrive being governed by them.

What matters more in this election is the people who want the top position and neither republican nor democrats offer a candidate worthy of the position and that is me putting it nicely.

Garry Johnson is worthy of the position and has the experience to do the job the others do not qualify.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 06:25 AM
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If they were smart enough everyone would be libertarians right now. It is not some underground movement anymore.
The facts are easy to find, countries with the highest economic freedom especially in the private property rights index are the richest.

People vote for their interest. Goverment workers are not going to buy losing their funding and jobs. People are intellectually lazy.

Listen I want libertarianism to work, my real world experience disagrees. I can get a lot more convincing done using irrational social dynamics than reason.
The reason bearing ron paul has nothing on the social dynamics master donald trump.



posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 06:29 AM
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a reply to: sirlancelot

Funny how you start out talking about making legal immigration easier, then start talking about how bad illegal immigration is. If the borders were open there would be no such thing as illegal immigrants.



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