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Why The Liberal Left Is Dismayed By The Recent Surge In Nationalism

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posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: maddy21

We should take all the good ideas from both left and right. They both have some decent ones. And some really stupid ones. That's the danger of going too far right or left. If one ideology becomes dominant, they tend to become arrogant and think that ALL their ideas are good ones. This whole left VS right us VS them is counterproductive and a waste of energy. Why dont we focus on making life good for EVERYONE?




posted on Jul, 25 2016 @ 08:34 PM
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Has been happening for decades in Australia as they whitewash history. A founding member of Melbourne was John Batman who traded items for land from the Aboriginals. Now the Lefties want to rename everything associated with Batman because he "was a racist" apparently. Yeah he traded axes, horses etc for land but he didn't go around killing the Aboriginals.

In some parts of Australia you cannot have the flag hanging from your property without it being stolen, ripped down and even set alight. For the Australian flag apparently represents "horrible white nationalism" and being proud of being Australian, is seen as being anti-everyone else.



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 04:42 AM
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originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: buster2010
Ask the Jews how great nationalism was for them in WW2.



Because modern American nationalism is totally the same thing as 1930's German nationalism

Did you even bother to watch the RNC? They basically did nothing but spread fear about the Muslims.



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 05:52 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: chuck258

originally posted by: buster2010
Ask the Jews how great nationalism was for them in WW2.



Because modern American nationalism is totally the same thing as 1930's German nationalism

Did you even bother to watch the RNC? They basically did nothing but spread fear about the Muslims.


i can see you didn't watch it.



posted on Jul, 26 2016 @ 08:42 AM
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Nationalism is one of the many forms of compartmentalization. It's putting people into predefined political boxes, so to keep them separated and distant from each other.


Are we to believe the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution
motive was compartmentalizing their constituents? You're blaming Nationalism on what many might constitute the actions of power brokers for political expediency.

People are separate and distant by nature, regardless of any political ideology.
Unless you or anyone else can prove some form of special ideology will produce
a utopian dream world where people are more attached.

In my understanding Nationalism prerogative's is founded on independence vs interdependence as seen in Internationalism.

I think our 6th President John Quincy Adams epitomized the idea of Nationalism. It's noted that Independence and Union were the watchwords of his career, a Union of the United States of North America to grow by the destiny of Providence and nature to become a continental republic of free men stretching from ocean to ocean and from Gulf to Arctic.

People are using everything from racism to elitist control mongers to sully a pure idea.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 01:43 AM
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Another thread full of ignorance on ATS.

First of all if Europeans purposefully flood theirself with immigrants how come it was ultimately caused by the right? And immigration is bound to laws and human rights are you saying the left is bad for sticking to them?

Also nationalism fuels about every war ever, and who profits from wars and is pushing for them? Yes globalists.

The fact you have let yourself put in one of their created boxes of left and right makes you part of their game of devide and conquer which propbably can indeed lead to what you fear. And youve given up to objectively think what is best for the people, without worrying to be put in the wrong box.



posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 02:31 AM
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posted on Jul, 27 2016 @ 03:54 AM
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a reply to: shredderofsouls

RNC's EMAILS are secure.
Thanks to what we know now, the DNC are scum one shouldn't leave in the room with small CHILDREN.
AS is indicated CLEALY by their sh#t tossing games and Epsilon Semi-moron cell phone goupies.
THE left NEVER could secure a thing worth a damn.
LEAKAMANIA!
Like the loosers, liars and the thieves, they are,the DNC has become in this melt down.
Lovin my popcorn people...

edit on 27-7-2016 by cavtrooper7 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 21 2016 @ 08:27 AM
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So Trump finally won the election, and i can again justify the points stated in the article and in the opening post.The Liberal left is loosing control and is too deluded in its own ideology to really understand the situation on the ground among the common people.
edit on 21-11-2016 by maddy21 because: English Fail....



posted on Nov, 24 2016 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: maddy21

Norway
Sweden
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Belgium
China

.. and others, put the lie to the basic contention here. All are mixed economies heavily tilted toward socialism and other "leftist" economic ideas.

These are among the largest and richest economies in the world.

The Richest Countries in the World

Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World

The United States is a mixed economy. Without considerable government intervention in business, Federal establishment of our country's infrastructure, etc. and other such generally "leftist" ideas, we would never have become the world's largest economy.

All of the bluster about nationalism versus globalism are statements of belief, not facts.



Norway has private dental care (Tanngarden) who can do same day bookinhs but public health service. But Helfo decide your doctor and clinic for you. That gets annoying when your doctor is right next to your home but you are only free during work lunchtimes and there is a medical practice right next door downtown. Canada was the same as Norway.

In the UK you can choose your doctor with the NHS but have to wait two weeks for an appointment. Sweden might be the same. Sweden avoided recessions by going for continued employment with workers but on reduced hours with job sharing and subsidized housing.


No, Norway has both state and private dental care(not sure what Norwegian word that is I have never heard of it and I am Norwegian, the the real word is Tannlege). The dental care is free up to the age of 18, after that you have to pay (with some exemptions, where you can get free dental care).

No they do not decide for you, you can choose any dental care doctor you wish. Only when there are need for specialists, they decide for you.

Please educate yourself about other countries before you speak.



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