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Why The Liberal Left Is Dismayed By The Recent Surge In Nationalism

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posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:08 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: maddy21

Your cite is to a right-wing Indian magazine with some - fascinating - views on history. Thanks for the laugh. No.


There is absolutely nothing wrong about citing an article from an Indian right wing Magazine with different views on history.
Instead of silly one liners i suggest you write something constructive or at least try to disprove the points in the article if you disagree with it(assuming that you even read it)




posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: maddy21

Nationalism or even any "national identity" stands in the way of a One World Government (or governance). This is why you see the insanity in Europe. They must flood a nation with people who do not share the same values as the native (nationalist) population as well as swaying that native population into accepting a socialist dictatorship.



Agree. Not only does the flood of people not share the same values, they uphold their own values so strictly that they establish their own "national identity" within every country they enter. This creates dissention, strife, and confusion in the hosting countries citizens. So the One World Government should fear this flood because unless they are on the same page, NWO will be at odds with the new "national identity".



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:23 AM
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The harder the right tries to tell us how wrong we are the more it smells of desperation and propaganda.

Add this thread to the daily, sanders sold is souls, hillary is a coke addict, bill is a rapist, the left are really communist, oh and my favorite the left is affraid of trump.

Cant wait for november.

PS: i for got my favorite one, obama will destroy murika with ebola

edit on 24-7-2016 by dukeofjive696969 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:31 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010
Ask the Jews how great nationalism was for them in WW2.



You do mean in Germany or German controlled territory. Would be nice to be specific.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969


PS: i for got my favorite one, obama will destroy murika with ebola



Yea thats funny like the flap about Trump with the Red Button. lol



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: intrptr

Is the concept of freedom gone then?

No, people will never stop struggling to be free.

Freedom is innate, they yearn for it in their heart.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: maddy21


Right wing allows economic independence.. Which essentially means less control over an individual because the said person is economically independent from the govt., which is not in the interest of the leftist liberals.

Those are pretty thick blinders. Independence means independence. This is not something 'granted' by any government,

Don't do this don't do that, can't you read the signs?

Our government is the biggest invasive entity on the planet. They want to run everyone and everything.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 07:54 AM
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The longer this all goes on the more I see and agree with the whole "divide and conquer" approach. I don't even discuss politics anymore as I just see people getting all worked up over something they have very little control over.

"Democracy" is a little token piece given to us plebs to make us think that we have "power". We don't.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: maddy21

Norway
Sweden
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Belgium
China

.. and others, put the lie to the basic contention here. All are mixed economies heavily tilted toward socialism and other "leftist" economic ideas.

These are among the largest and richest economies in the world.

The Richest Countries in the World

Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World

The United States is a mixed economy. Without considerable government intervention in business, Federal establishment of our country's infrastructure, etc. and other such generally "leftist" ideas, we would never have become the world's largest economy.

All of the bluster about nationalism versus globalism are statements of belief, not facts.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:21 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: maddy21

Norway
Sweden
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Belgium
China

.. and others, put the lie to the basic contention here. All are mixed economies heavily tilted toward socialism and other "leftist" economic ideas.

These are among the largest and richest economies in the world.

The Richest Countries in the World

Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World

The United States is a mixed economy. Without considerable government intervention in business, Federal establishment of our country's infrastructure, etc. and other such generally "leftist" ideas, we would never have become the world's largest economy.

All of the bluster about nationalism versus globalism are statements of belief, not facts.



It takes a mix of both to make things work. Infrastructure is a nice example. The interstate system (which is beautiful and brilliant I might add) was built under the pretense of military, which is typically a "right" idea.

At home here in Canada; our healthcare system is one of the great achievments of the left; and any talk of the "right" to start dismantling in the name of free markets is quickly smacked down by the electorate. I guess in that instance democracy does have an effect.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: deuceawesome

Those on the right like to provide simplistic, white-and-black examples for their arguments.

The world is not "this or that."

Every successful economy is a mixed economy.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: deuceawesome

Those on the right like to provide simplistic, white-and-black examples for their arguments.

The world is not "this or that."

Every successful economy is a mixed economy.


And those on the left like to condescend and insult whenever questioned. Im saying that as someone who identifies with neither side.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: buster2010

" Ask the Jews how great nationalism was for them in WW2. "

Yet they Embraced it on May 14th 1948 because they Cherished Freedom more than Tyranny .



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: deuceawesome

I'm "on the left" ... who have I condescended to or insulted?

You stated a fact, I reiterated it.




posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: maddy21
Oh Great, another Left vs Right thread.

Nationalism: Just look at the Countries that have had Nationalism spewed upon them and see how the live. Giant Pictures of their Great Leader everywhere. No I did not read the article, I hate divisiveness.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: buster2010

" Ask the Jews how great nationalism was for them in WW2. "

Yet they Embraced it on May 14th 1948 because they Cherished Freedom more than Tyranny .


Surprisingly, all the Jews in the world are not in Israel.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:30 AM
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Here's the plan: everyone call their tribe the best one on Earth, and their religion the only true one. Then we all fight it out until everyone but us is dead. That way, there will never be an evil One World Government, just us, the übermenschen, ruling over all the inferior peoples. That's the beauty of unrestrained nationalism.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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Nationalism didn't kill the Jews. Racial purity killed the Jews. which was thrown under the umbrella of nationalism.

Kind of like the racial purity of black lives matter.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: thinline

Kind of like the racial purity of black lives matter.


Please elaborate.



posted on Jul, 24 2016 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: deuceawesome

I'm "on the left" ... who have I condescended to or insulted?

You stated a fact, I reiterated it.



You haven't insulted anyone. I was just countering your generalization of people on the right with a generalization of people on the left.
edit on 24-7-2016 by deuceawesome because: (no reason given)




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