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Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
originally posted by: deignostian
a reply to: chr0naut
Whatever that means.
Anyway I Googled this Sybil and Paul in every spelling and combination and not one hit. Not that it has any relevance to the thread just saying it is not even a real story.
Got a link? No. A Sybil is an Oracle in early Greek Christian circles and not a single person. You have never heard of the Sybilline Oracles that Christianity tried claiming as their own but were Greek in origin?
So no Sybil taught Paul.
You act like it's personal and me being against misogyny has anything to do with you. I don't know you and it is not, can not be, personal so drop the attitude please.
I didn't write the NT. Or invent misogyny. I am just speaking out against something that is wrong and not the entire NT.
Just a specific aspect of the author's character that has had a harmful effect on society. Misogyny is allowed within the church to this very day.
Sorry for speaking the truth and not rationalizing or telling stories to soften or excuse the vile nature of misogyny and the NT author who advocated treating women as subservient and as subjects.
Jesus didn't do that.
Hasn't Western culture, and specifically Christianity, been more loving and considerate of the wife as a child of God than other cultures and even other religions?
Think of how Islam treats women, or historical non-Christian societies and cultures.
it's not that history is littered with perversions of the Christian model as it is that christianity was born in a perverse world and took practically 2000 years to evolve out of that perversion and still hasn't cleansed itself completely of it.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NOTurTypical
How can they be equal when there's a "head" that the wife must submit to? While they may be equal spiritually, in Christ, they are most certainly not equal in worldly matters. Biblically, they aren't even equal in the ability to speak and teach of spiritual matters, with any authority to men, without first acquiring permission from elder men.
Again, this all stems from the idea that Eve interrupted the divine relationship between man and God by learning from Satan of the forbidden fruit, and then teaching it to Adam. Eve "learns" from Satan what she teaches Adam, Adam learns from God what he teaches Eve.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: NOTurTypical
and yet the still cling to the obedience and subservience of women in most denominations. they might water it down considerably, they might lessen the bite some by claiming that the men are to act like christ does with his church, but the fact remains....
a pampered slave is still just a slave!
If a man/husband is ruling over his wife, or treating her my differently then how he would desire to be treated then it's a sin, it's corrupt and not loving.
They can be equal because God says man and woman when married become one flesh.
If a man/husband is ruling over his wife, or treating her differently then how he would desire to be treated then it's a sin