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You are applying a criteria innapropriate to the culture of Paul's day. He is a creature of his times.
Not all women were quiet and housebound in the first century Greco-Roman world, the setting of the New Testament.
Rick Strelan, in his book Paul, Artemis, and the Jews in Ephesus, writes about women’s roles in cults, and quotes from leading scholars.
In terms of cultic life in Ephesus, it is clear that women played a significant role and held important offices in many cults. The mythology of Ephesus [including the myth that Ephesus was founded by warrior women known as Amazons] bolstered their status in the Artemis cult.
According to Pausanius, from very early days, if not originally, the Amazon women resided at the sacred place and performed rituals to Artemis there (7.2.4). Cultic activity for women was more prominent in Asia Minor than elseswhere (Ramsay 1900:67). Kearsley notes that the fifteen women who were archiereiai (“chief priests” or “high priests”) in Ephesus is the largest group known from any city (1986:186). At least some held the title in their own right and were not dependent on the title of their husbands.
Women were prominent in the Artemis cults as priestesses; and in the cult of Hestia Boulaia in the civic centre of Ephesus, the influential position of prytanus is known to have been held by women (for example, Claudia Trophime I.Eph IV.1012). Favonia Flacilla was both prytanis and gumnasiarchos (I.Eph IV.1060)..
We have already touched upon the importance of the Anatolian city of Ephesus and its association with the Bee, including its name – the Bee, and its Bee goddess, Artemis. However, Ephesus was an important city in the development of Christianity as well, for not only did it house one of the seven churches of Asia, as listed in the ‘Book of Revelations’, but Paul spend several years there and the last house of the Virgin Mary is believed to have resided nearby. In fact, many believe the Gospel of John was written there.
Yet perhaps the greatest revelation of all is that Artemis and her high priests of Ephesus were called Essenes, meaning King Bees. The Essenes were a Jewish religious sect founded in the first century BC who flourished for roughly 300 years in the vicinity of the Dead Sea, and their base at Qumran produced one the important historical discoveries of the 20th century; the Dead Sea Scrolls. They were also Beekeepers, and the first association of the Essenes with Bees was in the 2nd century AD by a Greek traveler named Pausanias.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NOTurTypical
Ephesians 5 asks a married couple to ritually and symbolically live as though they are Christ and his Church united in perfection. He asks the wife to revere her husband as though he is Christ on earth, and gives the onus, an impossible task, to the husband to live up to, assume the role of "Christ". Who is equal to Christ? Certainly not his wife.
It's a recipe for disaster.
Maybe you haven't been married before, I can tell you right now if a man doesn't likewise respect and reverence his wife they'll be in divorce court.
originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry
a reply to: Justso
And if it had been written by women and the same comment, with the gender change would have been used - how would you react?
Yup. It's like that.
Men aren't bad, women aren't bad - for all this 'equality' talk, people still have their heads stuck in the past.
Get over your gender, man, woman, whatever.
Trying to use this to push an agenda is ludicrous, silly and ridiculous....
19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
And if you want to talk about China I don't even mind.
originally posted by: Raggedyman
You have taken it out of context and you are to lazy to understand and find the true context
I have no intention of explaining something you are not interested in to you
Your mind is already made up.
Haters are going to hate
If you are so right, why are women equals in the church, why don't they wear head coverings, why are they allowed to talk, why are they equals in the home, loved, fought for and died for
But you know better, I suspect
You should look up the definition of "reality"
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[a] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies
A high rabbinical court in Israel sentenced to five years in prison a man who for years has refused to give his wife a divorce.
The High Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem passed on Thursday the sentence, which is one of the harshest meted out in recent years to an intransigent spouse, the news site NRG reported.
In Orthodox Judaism, a marriage cannot be undone unless the man consents to a get — the Hebrew word for divorce. Rabbinical courts — which in Israel function as family courts as part of the judiciary and have executive powers — cannot force a man to give his wife a get but they can impose harsh punishments on men the judges determine are unjustly withholding a get and turning their wives into what is known in Judaism as agunot, or “chained women.”