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posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 09:20 AM
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Um, what happened to mwm1331's original post? Plus his profile doesn't seem to be working.





posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by cargo
Um, what happened to mwm1331's original post? Plus his profile doesn't seem to be working.


I just checked, members and he's banned,



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by UK Wizard
I just checked, members and he's banned,


- Really?

Any idea of finding out why?



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 05:30 PM
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um what was happening in this post? All Ive seen is like sminky replying to like 50 posts that I cant evan see


JAK

posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by Croat56
um what was happening in this post? All Ive seen is like sminky replying to like 50 posts that I cant evan see


Croat56, the reason that the thread might appear not to make sense is that mwm1331's posts, as a banned member, are no longer available.

Jack

[edit on 8/4/05 by JAK]



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by sminkeypinkey

One of those laughable vast American SUV things (what are they compensating for!?
) compared to a beautiful BMW, Audi, Jaguar, Bentley etc etc.


Psssssssssst...... Jaguar is owned by Ford


You have only listed 2 companies there (Bentley is owned by Audi), and frankly as much of a BMW guy as I am, the German cars have less and less of an edge each year.

I would HARDLY call the new BMWs beautifull, nor would I say ANY Audi is either. They are all overpriced, and the proof is the dent that Japan auto makers have had in their sales.

BTW - the 'SUV thing' is for a purpose. Some of us need to be able to transport things, thus we need a larger car with more cargo space. Since not all of us can afford a third car (in this case a truck), it makes a lot of sense to get a minivan and truck all in one.

I got rid of my BMW for a Jeep. Clearly a step down in 'fun factor' and prestige, but you know what - it is a lot less expensive to maintain, I can haul a boat around, and transport anything I need to (such as a nice big buck
). Much more functional for me at least.



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
Jaguar is owned by Ford


- Yes, I know and sadly Ford are running it into the ground as we speak. That's what these people sometimes do when they buy up competitors, they don't want to do anything but remove them from the market.

You'll also note that Ford has yet to produce the usual wobbly bloated US whale under the Jag badge, so for now, Jag is pretty much a European car, right?


You have only listed 2 companies there (Bentley is owned by Audi)


- Well, ok, such is the car market these days. VAG own a hell of a lot of European 'names/brands'.


much of a BMW guy as I am, the German cars have less and less of an edge each year.


- OK, your opinion and all but I don't think their sales bear this out too much, BMW are a very healthy company.


I would HARDLY call the new BMWs beautifull, nor would I say ANY Audi is either.


- OK, your view again.
A new look always takes a while, give it 12mths and they'll be unremarkable - especially as their styling cues are picked up everywhere.

It's the usual catch22; everyone claims to want something fresh and new and when it arrives it gets resisted some. My bet is that there are enough of their 'old' cues to see it accepted soon enough.

Plus they are fundamentally such damned fine - and very advanced - cars. Period.


They are all overpriced, and the proof is the dent that Japan auto makers have had in their sales.


- Look mate if you really think a Toyota or a tarted up Ford is comparable go ahead, you rock on and save your pennies.



BTW - the 'SUV thing' is for a purpose.


- Sure it is, sure it is.


Some of us need to be able to transport things, thus we need a larger car with more cargo space.


- So what's the other 95%'s excuse then?



I got rid of my BMW for a Jeep. Clearly a step down in 'fun factor' and prestige


- Jayzuss, welcome to the really wibbly wobbly world of US car 'handling', here's hoping it doesn't make you feel sea-sick.

......or corrode and fall to bits in double quick time.
(OK, mild joking aside - a farming pal of mine had a recent cherokee, what a gas-guzzling, sh*t-handling POS, honestly, it was truely aweful man)

[edit on 11-4-2005 by sminkeypinkey]



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 05:49 AM
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Well, I have to say Sminkey, that Ive thouroughly enjoyed this thread. I admit, sometimes your posts p**s me off (and I have trolled you, deliberately, in the past and I appologise unreservedly for that), but credit where its due, you've outdone yourself with this one. Bravo chap! Ive never voted before but you'll be getting my vote on this.


quote: Originally posted by American Mad Man
Jaguar is owned by Ford


- Yes, I know and sadly Ford are running it into the ground as we speak. That's what these people sometimes do when they buy up competitors, they don't want to do anything but remove them from the market.

You'll also note that Ford has yet to produce the usual wobbly bloated US whale under the Jag badge, so for now, Jag is pretty much a European car, right?


This is more to the Madman. You do know how badly Ford are doing don't you? The only way they're staying afloat is by shafting their suppliers into the ground. For example, if Ford produce a new car, they expect their suppliers, to lay down tools, produce parts and supply them, then wait for 18 months at least after the vehicle has gone into full production to get paid. Tell me, how is any company supposed to live with terms like that? The fact is many can't, and have gone to the wall trying.
Plus the fact that they're a pile of crap. I'd never run another Ford even if I was given one

I got rid of my BMW for a Jeep. Clearly a step down in 'fun factor' and prestige, but you know what - it is a lot less expensive to maintain, I can haul a boat around, and transport anything I need to (such as a nice big buck ). Much more functional for me at least.

Erm, where on earth did you get your BMW serviced? Ive owned a couple and to say they're expensive to run just doesn't wash with me. Serviced regularly the damn things never stop going! Build it right in the first place, and you don't need to replace much other than the usual servicing. The worst I ever had to shell out on was a new exhaust. Use a third party one and you can get them fitted for just over $100USD



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by ridcully
Well, I have to say Sminkey, that Ive thouroughly enjoyed this thread. I admit, sometimes your posts p**s me off (and I have trolled you, deliberately, in the past and I appologise unreservedly for that), but credit where its due, you've outdone yourself with this one. Bravo chap! Ive never voted before but you'll be getting my vote on this.


- Thank you very much. Cheers for that.

(I wouldn't worry too much about taking the odd dig, don't we all do it? I'm hardly above going out of my way to provoke a response myself once in a while too.
Hopefully not too much but who doesn't?)




You do know how badly Ford are doing don't you? The only way they're staying afloat is by shafting their suppliers into the ground. For example, if Ford produce a new car, they expect their suppliers, to lay down tools, produce parts and supply them, then wait for 18 months at least after the vehicle has gone into full production to get paid. Tell me, how is any company supposed to live with terms like that? The fact is many can't, and have gone to the wall trying.


- Yeah, some of these contemptable 'business practices' doing the rounds at the moment simply demand the impossible. It's all so blindly short-term, so utterly based upon threat and IMO ultimately ruinous for all concerned.
Pity the workers, eh?
There was a time when a reasonable profit was enough now it max possible margin every time and to hell with the idea of any bad consequences.
What a way to do business.



Plus the fact that they're a pile of crap. I'd never run another Ford even if I was given one


- They don't exactly 'inspire' do they, well, certainly not the 'euro' models anyway.



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