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Explain the venom spewed at Melania Trump?

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posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Vroomfondel

No, that's not what I'm saying. They attacked her first obviously. But the defense is just making up a bunch of lies as if nothing happened when that is just dishonest.

That makes no sense that I would try and convince you that the defense became before the attack. Other people in this thread know what I'm saying. Maybe ask them if that helps. I get the feeling that what I say is just being resisted on your part. So I'm not sure if me explaining more will help.

Also, I don't support Hillary. She's the Grand Queen of lying, I'm not saying different at all. But this isn't about Hillary.


They did attack her first. And if it really was something so minor, which it was, why the repeated attacks?

When you talked about the continued spin it sounded like you were more concerned with her defense than the original attacks, and that that was the real issue. I disagree. I think the real issue are the attacks. As you said, this was something very minor. For it to have been so grossly overstated and sensationalized was the real issue, not the ongoing defense - which would not be necessary were it not for the ongoing attacks. I am not as concerned over different people having a different take on what happened as I am concerned for so many people that seem to think this attack on her is ok. To me, that is the real issue. If my wife was being attacked like that I would try everything in my power to stop it. If the truth didn't work, I would try something else. And I wouldn't stop until something worked. I love my wife. And I am sure Donald loves his wife too.




posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 04:22 PM
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It's pretty simple actually. People have stopped listening and using their critical thinking skills and instead just march lockstep towards hate.

People on the left hate the people on the right. People on the right hate people on the left.

Since she married Trump and had the audacity to make a speech in support of her husband....Therefore according to the current mindset she should be hated.



posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: supremecommander

Neither do I! too bad simple minded stuff keeps folks from finding common ground, huh? lol


Yes that is too bad. Like you I don't support either one of them but still get accused of it because I often expose the BS coming from one or the other. Everyone seems to think that if you talk bad about one of them you must be in support of the other which isn't correct. I can't stand either of them but it seems that isn't allowed according to some people. They insist you must choose one or the other for some reason.



posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

Personally I think the Left attacking her for the speech is kind of petty and I don't think it needed to happen in the first place. It was taking a bit of a cheap shot IMO. But the media takes cheap shots at everyone so it's to be expected I guess. But that's one of the reasons people don't trust the media too so they should be aware of what they're doing because it's not doing them any favors. So I agree with you there. However, what's done is done now.

The reason it continues however is because of the way the other side handled it and their choice in defending it by trying to lie their way out which just caused more problems and continued to keep the story alive as well. That was a terrible choice on their part. I honestly think that it would have blown over right away had they just admitted to it or even better let her answer for herself honestly and openly. But they tried hiding behind other people speaking on her behalf and blaming speech writers, etc. which was a horrible way to handle it and made them look even more dishonest.



posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: thinline

Then people can show examples of Obamas(both Michelle and Beery) Clinton, Biden, Warren, and so on doing similar things.



Who is Beery?



posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

It was a cheap shot, and I pretty much agree with you on all of this. The one thing that I would say though is that all kinds of people of various degrees of celebrity use aides, representatives, counsel, any of a number of spokespersons. The purpose is to draw attention away from themselves and put it on someone else. And if it doesn't work, there is always the escape route of saying they disagreed with what the person said. It may not be true, or, maybe it is. It is possible anyway. I would hope it would have gone away quickly but I wonder. Once people get a hold of something, especially the media, they tend to keep going until they rip the stuffing out of it or until something else gets their attention. Then they drop it like a hot rock and start chewing on the next poor victim.

I do believe there were speech writers and that they should have known better than to copy that speech so closely. I could be wrong, but I do not believe that Trump would have allowed that speech to happen had he known how closely it resembled michelle obama's. If he has to fact check his writers to that degree he will never have time to make his own speeches. I think he trusted them and got burned. I don't think he will do that again. Like I said, I could be wrong, but that is how I see it until I have reason to believe otherwise. I have no doubt he saw the speech ahead of time. But I have a hard time believing he knew how closely it resembled the previous speech.



posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 11:20 PM
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I think the media is definitely blowing this out of proportion (it is basically the major news item for a few days in a row) and they are doing it because they don't like Trump. I want to know why they don't like him. The media portrays him a certain way but what is he really like?
edit on 21pmThu, 21 Jul 2016 23:20:36 -0500kbpmkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2016 @ 11:32 PM
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trump will win and say really? I didnt even want this job, and break down laughing.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
I'd rather talk about the comments from the mom of one of the men killed in Benghazi. At worst, this was a mistake. At best, the Benghazi thing was a complete failure, and at worst, well, I have opinions there. This is a distraction.


Another deflection. Is that all the Right has? ...... "Look! There's badness." While taking no accountability for the actions of their own.


That's exactly what the Left is doing here.

Don't look at Clinton, or her legal troubles, or her campaign person attempting murder, or anything else. Nope, focus on common phrases in a speech.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 02:22 AM
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The predictable Trump sheep in here moaning about how its not a big deal and why is everyone focusing on it are the same ones who posted numerous times in the thread when Obama lost his auto cue and stumbled on his speech for a few seconds.

There's always something else to blame, a trait that runs with Trump and his uneducated supporters, none of them have the courage to admit a mistake. Lie lie lie your way out and then make another thread moaning about Hilary lieing.

Deny ignorance indeed.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 05:03 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


Don't look at Clinton, or her legal troubles, or her campaign person attempting murder, or anything else. Nope, focus on common phrases in a speech.


Whereas Trump supporters focus on Hillary to avoid looking at Trump's painfully obvious shortcomings. His personal vindictiveness and habitual lying have been in the public eye since the 1980s.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 07:20 AM
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originally posted by: SudoNim
The predictable Trump sheep in here moaning about how its not a big deal and why is everyone focusing on it are the same ones who posted numerous times in the thread when Obama lost his auto cue and stumbled on his speech for a few seconds.

There's always something else to blame, a trait that runs with Trump and his uneducated supporters, none of them have the courage to admit a mistake. Lie lie lie your way out and then make another thread moaning about Hilary lieing.

Deny ignorance indeed.


Predictable Trump sheep? No reflective surfaces where you live? obama was POTUS, and as such should be able to make a speech without a prompter, and it was more than a few seconds. He is supposed to be a great orator. Melania Trump is not. You seem to have developed a lot of strong feelings about Trump followers...in the few months he has been in politics... The speech writers are to blame, or at least its possible, yet you seem to know for a fact that is not the case. You are certain enough that you are willing to break the T&C's to label all Trump followers as uneducated.

Oh, by the way, its lying, not lieing. With an auto spell check too.

Deny ignorance. Try it some time.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 07:37 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes


Don't look at Clinton, or her legal troubles, or her campaign person attempting murder, or anything else. Nope, focus on common phrases in a speech.


Whereas Trump supporters focus on Hillary to avoid looking at Trump's painfully obvious shortcomings. His personal vindictiveness and habitual lying have been in the public eye since the 1980s.


Personal vindictiveness? Look at the long long list of people who had mysterious accidents after speaking out about the clintons, or more importantly, were due to testify within a few days of their "accidental" deaths. For example, the four clinton bodyguards who died from friendly fire at Waco. The ONLY people who died of friendly fire at Waco. And they had identical wounds to the left temple, execution style. Or what about all the people who ended up getting audited after daring to say anything derogatory about hillary? Trump habitual lying? He could learn a lot about lying form hillary. Her whole life is one big lie. "I was named after Sir Edmund Hillary." Uh huh. She was born in 1947. Edmund made his climb in 1953. There is no point or purpose to that lie except to associated herself with someone who did something great. Perfect example of narcissism.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

One word: jealousy.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

Explain the venom you say ?

The whole US of A is at this point something like 75 % venom.

It's like there was war and venom is all that survived



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 03:28 PM
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You all should be ashamed of yourself.
This very minor infraction has generated 13 pages of dialog, accusations, charges of lying and all other manners of ethical violations.
All because the wife of a political candidate may have read a speech with some similar words in it to the wife of another political figure.
Nonsense.
Complete distraction and a waste of all of your time.
The problem as conservatives see it is that the infraction was insignificant, however it was disproportionately responded to by the media. The same media who have given liberal political figures (including our sitting president) a pass for the same behavior. Yes the sitting President has read speeches containing plagiarized material on more than one occasion. The fact that they gave him a pass is okay. Very few political figures at that level write all of their own speeches and given the similar thoughts and ideas expressed in political speech it is no surprise that speech writers will fall back on common phrases and words. Sometimes its through lazy writing. Sometimes its through time constraints, and sometimes its completely unintentional where someone inadvertently recalls words they have heard before but thinks that it is an original work.
Move on to more important matters.

The other problem is that entirely more serious infractions by the democratic candidate are being brushed under the rug. The media is ignoring them. The media is letting the sitting Attorney General skate by without a single question regarding why the acknowledged infractions of Hillary Clinton regarding her emails, her conduct during the Benghazi attacks and the fund raising conducted by her Foundation from Foreign donors (who donated with a quid pro quo for concessions on State Department matters). The media is not doing the job that they are supposed to do because they are an extension of the progressive socialist party and the White House communications office.

But you guys keep worrying about what foreign college a former model did or did not graduate from. Her lack of college paper didnt get 4 men killed in Libya.



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 04:28 PM
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a reply to: Dragoon01

You told the truth and your comments were spot on.

There are so many other things we should be concerned with. Its funny though, when people attacked michelle for her "first time I have ever been proud to be an American" statement, liberals replied, "Who cares what she said? She isn't the president."




posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

That was a breathtaking account of Trump's career. Thank you for not trying to deflect it back on Hillary, as I said. Oh, wait....



posted on Jul, 22 2016 @ 09:56 PM
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a reply to: blood0fheroes

Yep, jealousy. It explains this fairly well. i do wonder if Melanie's speech writer is actually someone in the left (and hates the Trumps) and did this on purpose...



posted on Jul, 23 2016 @ 05:01 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: blood0fheroes

Yep, jealousy. It explains this fairly well. i do wonder if Melanie's speech writer is actually someone in the left (and hates the Trumps) and did this on purpose...


Because Trump is perfect and any campaign failure must be the result of a conspiracy from the left?



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