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Plan to stop the Violence?

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posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:17 PM
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Terrorism…Crime…Wars….Etc.,

Poverty…Social Injustices…Military Industrial Complex… Ethnocentric divisions…Political Sinister Forces…Gangs…Islamic Jihadis

Overall Solution: Deal with the underlying issues that support the above

Have a long range strategy and a short range strategy

Long Range: Scientific and social research process: Massive outreach to people and national debate process in order to fine tune the strategies…

Short Range ?


The immediate problem is the polar divisions on what to do on both levels: US Violence and the Jihadi Terror problem.

Such as Gun Control. One side will immediately reject any idea of Gun control and the other side will demand that it is the most vital element in any program to stop the violence.

Jihadi Terrorism: Obama won't even identify the issue!


The above secondary causes to deal with are so divisive that it seems to be impossible to counter this violence with any unified process.

It’s so divisive that there can’t even be any attempt to form a strategy to stop the violence.

Is there anything that is universally agreed on so a plan can be started to deal with the violence

I can’t think of anything.

Were screwed. No leadership and no ideas.




posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:21 PM
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Sounds like a good long range plan.

Shouldn't take more than another 25,000 years or so.




posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: Willtell




Is there anything that is universally agreed on so a plan can be started to deal with the violence


Obama is to blame for everything right? Trump will save us however!!!



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:28 PM
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The point is the, lack of ideas coming from our leadership.

A national commission?

A conversation and I dont mean a talk on Fox or CNN.

Obama’s solution. Give a speech and forget about it

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posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:40 PM
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"idle hands are the devils workshop" stop welfare and foodstamps and send all the long term unemployed people to work in workcamps paying them minimum wage,they`ll be too busy trying to feed themselves and survive that they won`t have time to be conspiring to commit crimes.
people will be a lot more motivated to get a real job so that they won`t have to work at the camps anymore. paying people to sit in poverty and be idle hasn`t worked and won`t work.
to be fair give the unemployed a chance to find a new job but when their unemployment checks run out they start working at the workcamp.
you might think it`s unfair to force people to work for their survival but it`s a lot more unfair to let them commit crimes for their survival.



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Tardacus

That’s an idea. How are you going to get the gang members to cooperate?

Gangs are over 80 percent the cause of the Chicago violence



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:43 PM
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The best way to solve violence is with preposterous superfluous righteous violence.
or mandatory camping trips maybe
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posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:47 PM
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Such as Gun Control. One side will immediately reject any idea of Gun control and the other side will demand that it is the most vital element in any program to stop the violence.


Damn skippy one side will immediately REJECT that authoritarianism.

Infringement of CIVIL LIBERTIES is never an option.

And to those that think it is?

Your on the wrong ride side of the issue, and that stinking piece of paper.


edit on 17-7-2016 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Look at how much the powers of Law Enforcement have expanded over the last couple of decades. Look at the tactics. These expansions have done little to prevent the "terrorism" that they were put in place to combat.

As long as society exists, social injustice will exist. Nothing can be done about that.

Now, we also need to take a long look at "violence". It would seem that so many have lived in some kind of bubble where they think that "violence" can never be warranted. This goes against all of the laws of nature. Pacifism, while noble in many cases, is just ignorant when you live in a violent world. One cannot fight violence with sunflowers and rainbows.

It starts by reigning in the unaccountable tactics used by Law Enforcement. LEO's are the first to tell you that the constitution doesn't matter when it comes to their personal safety. That attitude really weighs on common person. I'm not talking about thugs or gangbangers here. They are the ones pushing the envelope with unconstitutional programs in the hopes of eliciting a "compliance" mindset from the public. Just like the recent deal in Michigan where the police want to do roadside drug testing, forced blood-draw for suspected DUI, no knock warrants that are often executed on the wrong home with little compensation for loss of life and property.

You can see how this has been building for some time.

Then Dallas happens, and there is an outpouring of support for Law Enforcement. Then you have all of the keyboard meme warriors out there saying "Don't want to get shot, don't break the law!" It is a blanket statement that does nothing to address the original issue here. Cops have done stupid crap, innocent people have died, and nobody is accountable.

We kill a Police K-9, it is a capital offense, we go to jail for a long time. A cop lets his K-9 die in a hot car, oops, oh well. They kill our dogs out of 'fear for their lives", no problem.

These things just continue to snow-ball out of control.

Now, on the world stage, it's simple. If "We the People" would stop allowing our government to interfere in every country without a central bank, things would start getting better. Our country is in deep sh!t just like you say.

We can protect ourselves, and that's probably what we should focus on at the moment. Just back out of the world's mess, stop escalating and start redressing grievances with the middle eastern countries. Leave Israel to it's own devices. Defund the MIC... Start helping again. Food aid goes a lot farther than arming rebel factions.

Cops and our Military have both stopped being peace-keepers. That is where everything went wrong.


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posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:49 PM
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Obama’s Isis PLAN HAS FAILED. Sure Isis is being slowly disintegrated

But imagine all the suffering that could have been stopped IF

…. ISIS would have been wiped out the first month they showed up these small terror copycat events would not have happened.

Obama’s slow prodding (and probably on purpose) has given them hope.



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Willtell




Is there anything that is universally agreed on so a plan can be started to deal with the violence


Obama is to blame for everything right? Trump will save us however!!!


Obama has been a 'Divider in Chief' from day one and has been too ignorant to deal directly with terrorism so I would agree he is responsible for most of what we see today.



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: neo96


Such as Gun Control. One side will immediately reject any idea of Gun control and the other side will demand that it is the most vital element in any program to stop the violence.


Damn skippy one side will immediately REJECT that authoritarianism.

Infringement of CIVIL LIBERTIES is never an option.

And to those that think it is?

Your on the wrong ride side of the issue, and that stinking piece of paper.


Your rigid attitude is just confirming what I said.

That’s why NOTHING is getting done to alleviate the violence



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: neo96


Such as Gun Control. One side will immediately reject any idea of Gun control and the other side will demand that it is the most vital element in any program to stop the violence.


Damn skippy one side will immediately REJECT that authoritarianism.

Infringement of CIVIL LIBERTIES is never an option.

And to those that think it is?

Your on the wrong ride side of the issue, and that stinking piece of paper.


Your rigid attitude is just confirming what I said.

That’s why NOTHING is getting done to alleviate the violence



When it comes to the suspension of our liberty we should all be drawing a line in the sand. We should never give up our freedom for security.



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Thanks.

For denying my RIGHTS to due process, and CRIMES be proven in COURTS OF LAW. In front a jury of my peers, and GUILT be proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

I'm not the problem.



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:56 PM
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Do you find it at all ironic that Obama was blaming Bush for everything well into 2012?



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: neo96


Such as Gun Control. One side will immediately reject any idea of Gun control and the other side will demand that it is the most vital element in any program to stop the violence.


Damn skippy one side will immediately REJECT that authoritarianism.

Infringement of CIVIL LIBERTIES is never an option.

And to those that think it is?

Your on the wrong ride side of the issue, and that stinking piece of paper.


Your rigid attitude is just confirming what I said.

That’s why NOTHING is getting done to alleviate the violence



When it comes to the suspension of our liberty we should all be drawing a line in the sand. We should never give up our freedom for security.


That’s not the point.

If you have uncontrollable massive violence that's not liberty.

And the attitude of no compromise of (my way or the highway) doesn’t really do much since one mans idea of freedom is different from another persons.


Your idea of freedom is just another opinion it’s NOT the absolute truth



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 02:59 PM
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Enforce the laws and go from there





posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Willtell

Thanks.

For denying my RIGHTS to due process, and CRIMES be proven in COURTS OF LAW. In front a jury of my peers, and GUILT be proven beyond all reasonable doubt.

I'm not the problem.


You’re still putting your OPINION up as if its absolute truth.

That’s YOUR truth


..And that’s the problem everybody’s so dogmatic that they have the truth so nothing gets done…no compromise.

You don't even see that your proving my very point.

Thanks for that



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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As long as we can rotate our scapegoats of the month; we should be fine.



posted on Jul, 17 2016 @ 03:02 PM
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Rather than discussing solutions people get bogged down on debating their dogma as if their truth is the only truth


This is how the jihadis think


DOGMA

MY WAY IS THE ONLY WAY



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