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Turkey threatens WAR with America over cleric blamed for masterminding failed coup

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posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: luthier
The Turkish President is a nut.


Well, he does worship a space rock in Mecca encased in silver despite holding a simulataneous belief in the 10 Commandments which forbids making graven images to bow before.

One of the things that the Israelites were doing in the desert while Moses was receiving the 10 Commandments on the mountain was making a graven image. It undermines God's authority to have only Himself worshipped. Moses got so angry that he threw the 10 Commandments at them.

And yet the Muslims in creating the silver encased meteorite at Mecca are engaged in the same provocation.


We do not worship any stones. The Kaaba is simply the first ever built place of worship (temple) for the one true God.
And about the 10 commandments ... yeah, maybe you should stop bowing before statues of Christ and the like, which is the real definition of graven image.


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posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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Turkey threatens WAR with America over cleric blamed for masterminding failed coup

Who threatens war with US, again?
Just "Turkey" is disingenuous.

Back in early 2016 they were talking publicly about regime changing Erdogan, remember?

Of course not.

Google search, should Erdogan go?
During the recent Summit in Poland, Obama and Cameron ignored him completely, treating him like a pariah. Erdogan was furious...

get the message yet?



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: luthier
The Turkish President is a nut.


Well, he does worship a space rock in Mecca encased in silver despite holding a simulataneous belief in the 10 Commandments which forbids making graven images to bow before.

One of the things that the Israelites were doing in the desert while Moses was receiving the 10 Commandments on the mountain was making a graven image. It undermines God's authority to have only Himself worshipped. Moses got so angry that he threw the 10 Commandments at them.

And yet the Muslims in creating the silver encased meteorite at Mecca are engaged in the same provocation.


Allegedly it was a rock given to Adam and he created the first version of the Kaaba.


Next question is why are they bowing before a graven image at Mecca when it was the same kind of behavior that provoked Moses to throw the 10 Commandments at them, breaking them.

Next question after that would be is why is Jesus rewarding these people like Bin Laden with their own private compounds in Pakistan for killing 6 year olds American kids on planes, when America does not worship space rocks.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: onequestion
Why is this prick in my state?

Send em back to Turkey why are we protecting him and risking a world war?


Now we have the excuse we have to send him back to keep a critical airbase open. The real kicker is Gulen and Erdogan will reconcile to strengthen Erdogan's image with hardline Islamists. Surprise!



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Turkey is a little short on aircraft carriers and long range bombers to be making threats.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: luthier

If the previous POTUS:



And the current presidential candidate:



are both propagandists then I guess you want me to subscribe to the enlightenment philosophy that recommends ignorance as bliss.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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Next question is why are they bowing before a graven image at Mecca when it was the same kind of behavior that provoked Moses to throw the 10 Commandments at them, breaking them.



Just did a quick search on youtube, hope that answers your question in any way:




posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: sHuRuLuNi

You do realize its not the statue they are bowing before its liek the kaaba to christians(well catholics) They arent worshiping the Image. the statue woudnt even need to be there. they bow before the cross to show respect. not worship it.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: sHuRuLuNi

You do realize its not the statue they are bowing before its liek the kaaba to christians(well catholics) They arent worshiping the Image. the statue woudnt even need to be there. they bow before the cross to show respect. not worship it.


Well, see, if you use this to prove that christians do not worship the statue, then our (muslim) case is even further away from that, because to us the Kaaba is simply a Qibla - a direction in which to pray. So, the whole world turns in UNITY to one single point on earth, thus being united in the worship of God.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: TownCryer
a reply to: luthier
The Turkish President is a nut.


Well, he does worship a space rock in Mecca encased in silver despite holding a simulataneous belief in the 10 Commandments which forbids making graven images to bow before.

One of the things that the Israelites were doing in the desert while Moses was receiving the 10 Commandments on the mountain was making a graven image. It undermines God's authority to have only Himself worshipped. Moses got so angry that he threw the 10 Commandments at them.

And yet the Muslims in creating the silver encased meteorite at Mecca are engaged in the same provocation.


You do know the 10 commandments only apply to the hebrews right? they are of the OT covenant and not the new covenant. So youre wrong im afraid.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: sHuRuLuNi

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: sHuRuLuNi

You do realize its not the statue they are bowing before its liek the kaaba to christians(well catholics) They arent worshiping the Image. the statue woudnt even need to be there. they bow before the cross to show respect. not worship it.


Well, see, if you use this to prove that christians do not worship the statue, then our (muslim) case is even further away from that, because to us the Kaaba is simply a Qibla - a direction in which to pray. So, the whole world turns in UNITY to one single point on earth, thus being united in the worship of God.



Thats correct. See so many people keep getting things wrong because they dont understand or try to actually understand a different point of view. Thank you for your reply.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:02 PM
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If Turkey presses on this, it's going to make NATO a real awkward thing.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: sHuRuLuNi

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: sHuRuLuNi

You do realize its not the statue they are bowing before its liek the kaaba to christians(well catholics) They arent worshiping the Image. the statue woudnt even need to be there. they bow before the cross to show respect. not worship it.


Well, see, if you use this to prove that christians do not worship the statue, then our (muslim) case is even further away from that, because to us the Kaaba is simply a Qibla - a direction in which to pray. So, the whole world turns in UNITY to one single point on earth, thus being united in the worship of God.



Thats correct. See so many people keep getting things wrong because they dont understand or try to actually understand a different point of view. Thank you for your reply.


Nonsense, Muslims think the black stone takes away their sins. Then bow to it 5 times a day based on the Sun, they can say whatever they want, but bowing to something and offering prayers is worship. Worship means to ascribe great worth. And on top of that, they think the stone takes their sin away, sometching only God can do.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:16 PM
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originally posted by: NOTurTypical


Nonsense, Muslims think the black stone takes away their sins.


Wait ... what?



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: NOTurTypical
i f they were worshipping th e stone they would call out the name of that if it were true. Its nothing but a easy way to keep track of where they should direct their prayers. they dont worship the rock.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: Unlettered



Next question is why are they bowing before a graven image at Mecca when it was the same kind of behavior that provoked Moses to throw the 10 Commandments at them, breaking them.



Just did a quick search on youtube, hope that answers your question in any way:



Now that's interesting. I have never heard a Muslim publicly address this question.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: NOTurTypical
i f they were worshipping th e stone they would call out the name of that if it were true. Its nothing but a easy way to keep track of where they should direct their prayers. they dont worship the rock.


Lol, the Arabs were worshipping that same rock in Mecca when he went there and destroyed the other 360 idols. Before that, they were worshiping that same rock in the temple to Diana in Ephesus, Turkey.



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: sHuRuLuNi

originally posted by: NOTurTypical


Nonsense, Muslims think the black stone takes away their sins.


Wait ... what?


Are you denying what Muhammad said? If so you are no longer a Muslim:

"When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 08:01 PM
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originally posted by: NOTurTypical


"When the Black Stone came down from Paradise, it was whiter than milk, but the sins of the sons of Adam made it black.”



Is that a quote from the Quran? If so is the Quran attempting show that dark color is a symbolic representation of a negative spiritual state? If so, why are so many Muslims dark skin complexion and infidel Christian children white?

And further is the opposite is true that lightness is a symbolic representation of spiritual purity why would a white Mormon church leader threaten an honorably discharged Coast Guard rescue swimmer with abduction for questioning politely Brigham Young's statement in the 1800's Latter Day Saint publication, the Young Women's Journal concerning six foot tall Quaker's on the moon.
edit on 18-7-2016 by Miracula2 because: white and delightsome



posted on Jul, 18 2016 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Miracula2

And why was this dark skinned Islamic cleric not threating this guy with abduction for addressing questions to the imam politely as white Mormons have done with me?

Shouldn't he being dark skinned be aggressive and impolite. Maybe utter some threats. Like how dare you question the "Kabba"?! Off with your head?!!
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