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originally posted by: SyxPak
a reply to: everyone
This Country, is already a laughing stock, butt of bad jokes, to a lot of other Countries!
I don't have direct proof of that right now, but the 'chatter' seems to show it as true! So You, or anyone else, can either believe that or not. (I'll bet You wil!)
And the reason I say that You will is because you have shown Me that You are awake, and can see everything!
Thanx for taking part in This discussion here on all this crap!!
originally posted by: MrSpad
originally posted by: Asktheanimals
originally posted by: MrSpad
When you join the military you agree to follow very strict rules and regulations that you do not in the civilian world. So you will have military personnel punished for many things that civilians are not. Second nobody is pressing criminal charges against him. If they took this case to the DoJ and they chose to prosecute then you could say this is the same a Clinton. They have not and the DoJ would not in this case either.
All you can really do is look at the accusations against Clinton, know that in the last five years the DoJ has not prosecuted 80% of the cases brought to it of this nature and only did prosecute on 6 occasion when the person was pleading guilty as part of a plea deal.
You can agree or disagree with how often the DoJ prosecutes but, you can not claim Clinton was somehow special when she was in the 80%. The fact that they would have to spend millions on these cases that are just misdemeanors that end up with a fine or probation and are extremely hard to prove, as intent plays a role, just makes these sort of things not something that is pursued at a criminal level and left to your employer, if you still have one, to chose how to punish.
Congratulations on turning treason in to misdemeanors and holding buck privates to a higher standard than the secretary of state. When you work for the highest echelons of our government if you aren't held to higher standards than one would be in the civilian world then something is horribly awry. Our secretary of state knowingly and willingly allowed the enemies of the US easy access to sensitive information that could compromise our national security. Somehow I think the 80% figure goes out the window with the seriousness of the matter.
First of all I have nothing but provide facts and reality. You can like them or not but, I did not create them.
I am not the person who made mishandling classified information a misdemeanor crime.
I am not the person who decided to never prosecute this misdemeanor because it is a waster of resources unless the person is willing to plead gusty.
I am not the person who wrote the UCMJ.
You claim Clinton "knowingly and willingly allowed the enemies of the US easy access to sensitive information that could compromise our national security" What enemies? Who? How do prove it was willful? How do prove anybody accessed it? Was any of the information damaging? How doe you prove that?
We had a President sell arms to our enemies in Iran and take that money use it to fund an illegal war in Central America. His vice President then refused to turn over any information or documents and while under investigation ran for President and won, then pardoned everybody who had taken the fall to give him time to get elected. If that does not get prosecuted do you really think anybody is going to get prosecuted for email with 5 year old dinner invitations for embassy guests?
Do you know how many of these charges they have managed to get a guilty verdict on without the person pleading guilty? Their is reason they do not prosecute them. In cases of real damage to national security much high charges would be made. And those would be prosecuted. When something is done wrong but no damage is done they use the mishandling charge.
This is how it works, I spent years in the business and have seen it time and again. Like or not, this reality and Clinton did not create it.
§2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.