The Ten (10) Commandments in the New Testament

Why do men say we don't have to keep the 10 Commandments, when every single one of them can be found, and is taught in the New Testament?

1: Matthew 4:10, Matthew 6:24
2: 1 John 5:21 & Acts 17:29
3: 1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7, Colossians 3:8,
4: Hebrews 4:4-5 & 9 (rest=Sabbatismos in verse 9), Matthew 12:8, Revelation 1:10
5: Ephesians 6:1-4, Colossians 3:20-21
6: Romans 13:9, 1 John 3:15
7: Matthew 5:27-32, Romans 13:9
8: Romans 13:9, Ephesians 4:28
9: Romans 13:9, Ephesians 4:25
10: Romans 13:9, Ephesians 5:5, Romans 7:7

Even the 4th Commandment can be found in the New Testament:

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why is it taught that we don't have to keep the law, when the law is taught in the New Testament?

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Defintion for bible is sarcasm.
Definition for rested is killed.
Definition for Lord is liar.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

the ten commandments are an interesting topic if you arent afraid to get a little dirty with it.

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a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
"For we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit" -Romans ch7 v6.
We don't give up the law, but we live under a different kind of law. Not the "old written code", but the guidance of the Spirit. In other words, we still keep away from theft and murder and things like that, but we keep away from them because the Spirit says so, not because the written law of Moses says so.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Good luck with this thread...you'll find a lot of opposition.

But, well intended I'm sure you mean well...just not all will agree with you here.

There are many others of different beliefs...and they will expect you to respect theirs.

Hold on...welcome to ATS! MS

a reply to: DISRAELI

In other words, we still keep away from theft and murder and things like that, but we keep away from them because the Spirit says so, not because the written law of Moses says so.

Didn't the spirit, not Moses, say so in the first place?

Dueteronly 30:11
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

I don't see the difference between the "spirit" speaking through Moses or through Paul? I don't think Judaism ever taught that one should follow the law because Moses said so.

a reply to: windword
I think Paul's distinction means that the Spirit is now given to us directly, instead of being mediated through people like Moses or even Paul.
"The Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you" -Romans ch8 v11
"It is not by measure that he gives the Spirit" -John ch3 v34.

a reply to: DISRAELI

It was always mediated through some form or another. Christianity says the spirit is mediated through the sacrifice of Jesus instead of an animal. But, the spirit is still being mediated. Only now, the spirit that was being mediated through the Angel of the Lord is mediated through "Christ".

Nothing new under the sun.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: DISRAELI

It was always mediated through some form or another. Christianity says the spirit is mediated through the sacrifice of Jesus instead of an animal. But, the spirit is still being mediated. Only now, the spirit that was being mediated through the Angel of the Lord is mediated through "Christ".

Nothing new under the sun.

sun worship itself has been happening since the dawn of man. is it surprising that people now worship the "son" who is the "light"?

a reply to: windword
OK, but the point is that in Paul's teaching each of us (each of the followers of Christ) has the Spirit, so that we can each get that guidance directly instead of getting it through the written instructions.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Ok, but I'd just like to point out that Christians rely on scripture, and especially Paul's words, more that most Jews do.

a reply to: windword
Yes indeed, and I think two factors are being combined here.
One is that not all Christians have been as confident as Paul in "feeling the guidance of the Holy Spirit".
The other is that the church itelf was not comfortable in allowing Christians to decide where the Spirit was guiding them, because on too many occasions they were evidently being guided by their own spirits instead.
So in practice, the church has developed compromises like "only the ritual law has been abolished", not the Ten Commandments etc. This is a workable rule of thumb, most of the time, but for someone who looks closely it is not what Paul was actually teaching.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel
"For we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit" -Romans ch7 v6.
We don't give up the law, but we live under a different kind of law. Not the "old written code", but the guidance of the Spirit. In other words, we still keep away from theft and murder and things like that, but we keep away from them because the Spirit says so, not because the written law of Moses says so.

The law of Moses is not the ten commandments.

The ten commandments are not the written law of Moses and were originally written by the finger of God in stone, Moses just received them.

And only Israelites had to obey the law of Moses, the 613 laws. Nobody else ever had to.

The law is not dead, new or different from the ten commandments today. There is no such thing as a new law.

Jesus just made a point of saying that 2 of the commandments were greater and that if you truly love God first, then truly love your neighbor as yourself, that you will fulfill the rest of the law effortlessly.

He said heaven and earth will pass easier than an iota of the Law.

That Law is the ten commandments. It's how people live who are in the Kingdom of God and blessed with the Spirit. But to say that we don't have to follow the ten commandments because we are under a new law is anti-scriptural.

And the reason we follow them is the same reason as OT people did, the Spirit is not new. The best person to seek guidance from is Jesus because Paul is anti Law in many ways and has some contempt for the law. He confuses the Law with Good works.

He doesn't seem to understand that the law of Moses and Abrahamic Covenant never applied to non Hebrews in the first place and that nobody was converting anyone to the Law of Moses.

Jesus is a more trustworthy source.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I was not trying to embarrass you or start arguments.

You just called God's ten commandments the "written law of or by Moses" when the Decalogue wasn't written by Moses or called his.

They are God's commandments, not Moses. I think that is something worth correcting if it offends you, well I was just trying to help you.

law of Moses is NOT the ten commandments.

The law of Moses never applied to Jesus ' movement. Jews only.

originally posted by: ScatteredThirdAngel

Why do men say we don't have to keep the 10 Commandments, when every single one of them can be found, and is taught in the New Testament?

Do Christians actively teach this? They mostly do not recognize the Sabbath and have Jesus and the Holy Spirit as other God's even attribute creation to Jesus with the Gospel of John that borrows a neo Platonic philosophy of the Word or Logos to Jesus with some help from Philo of Alexandria and I think that is having other gods because of the applied equality in the 300's AD doctrine of the Trinity. So they are in a tight spot.

1: Matthew 4:10, Matthew 6:24
2: 1 John 5:21 & Acts 17:29
3: 1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7, Colossians 3:8,
4: Hebrews 4:4-5 & 9 (rest=Sabbatismos in verse 9), Matthew 12:8, Revelation 1:10
5: Ephesians 6:1-4, Colossians 3:20-21
6: Romans 13:9, 1 John 3:15
7: Matthew 5:27-32, Romans 13:9
8: Romans 13:9, Ephesians 4:28
9: Romans 13:9, Ephesians 4:25
10: Romans 13:9, Ephesians 5:5, Romans 7:7

Even the 4th Commandment can be found in the New Testament:

Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Why is it taught that we don't have to keep the law, when the law is taught in the New Testament?

If you're a Christian you should know that the ten commandments are still in effect.

Anyone who teaches otherwise is not paying attention to Jesus.

Nobody needs a teacher for the Bible. Read it and study it and go on the internet. Most Pastors are very limited in knowledge of Biblical history and meaning.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: windword
OK, but the point is that in Paul's teaching each of us (each of the followers of Christ) has the Spirit, so that we can each get that guidance directly instead of getting it through the written instructions.

Jesus did a much better job teaching this than Paul ever could.

His writings are lacking in actual knowledge of anything that Jesus taught in the Gospels and further he doesn't teach anything his letters are rambling and incoherent with half of them being confirmed forgeries and Galatians just makes him look like the enemy of the church who doesn't care what Jesus taught and teaches his own seperate Gospel that makes no sense whatever.

Jesus didn't forget anything important so it wasn't necessary to include Paul's letters but they made certain favourable to the church quotes and it was the anti female pro obedience to authority type stuff that got him in.

Jesus taught how to get the Holy Spirit and how to use it so all Paul can do is screw it up because it was perfect.

James is the only epistle I really like because it is common sense and concise moral encouragement to do good deeds and was written by someone with a Holy mind, not an aggressor like Paul.

Hebrews is a little silly but not Pauline and I don't mind it to much.

Other than that Paul brings contention and discord wherever he goes and has no morals about acting honorably.

a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

You're in error. Jesus Himsself said the entire law hung on 2 commands, to love God with everything we have and to love our neighbor as ourselves. Secondly, in Acts 15 the apostles said for Gentile believers there was no other burden to be placed upon us than 4 commands. End of story, any other burdens men try to put on people is a lie, it's against Acts 15.