BREAKING NOW Possible Terrorist Attack Nice France

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

But if we must become what we hate to achieve our goals then we have already failed.

Attempting to remove a significant percentage of a population forcibly can and will result in genocide as is plain to see anytime it is attempted.

Its not an option i care to consider simply because we can see where it leads us.

We have already started down that pathway, the best we can do is hope it will not get out of control, but it will

a reply to: UKTruth

How does an act of symbolism solve the problem?

Sounds to me like you just want to be catered to by those you think are part of the problem.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

But if we must become what we hate to achieve our goals then we have already failed.

Attempting to remove a significant percentage of a population forcibly can and will result in genocide as is plain to see anytime it is attempted.

Its not an option i care to consider simply because we can see where it leads us.

its only genocide if you do it a specific way. refuse service to them anywhere in the country. Stop giving them money and welfare. Stop allowing anyone who is of that group anything but a cold shoulder and eventually they will self deport. A majority can simply be bought out. the key is to do it with legal means.

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

But if we must become what we hate to achieve our goals then we have already failed.

Attempting to remove a significant percentage of a population forcibly can and will result in genocide as is plain to see anytime it is attempted.

Its not an option i care to consider simply because we can see where it leads us.

We have already started down that pathway, the best we can do is hope it will not get out of control, but it will

How can you call it becoming what we hate? Its being practicle and logical. im sure we wont be killing people and cooking them in ovens liek the SS was doing.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Unfortunately it is a problem through as is clearly illustrated by the influx of refugees in to Europe and the U.K

It wont be done safely because people wont go silently into the night this time around.

The refugees would not have a lot of options, I'm afraid.

Hollande just said there are 50 people between life and death.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: introvert

You know, instead of acting as a good guy, and making everyone else look bad for simply trying to save the lives of innocent people, you should suggest what should be done so this kind of attacks never happen again.

But I do know that I am not willing to go the extremes some others suggest, out of anger or emotions. Those extremes would make us no better than the damned terrorists.

No. Deporting, monitoring and immigration bans does not or will not make us as bad as the terrorists. Last time I checked they were chopping heads off, blowing people up, drowning people in cages, setting fire to people, shooting people and squashing people under truck wheels.

To suggest that they are the same is emotional blackmail.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: imod02

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

But if we must become what we hate to achieve our goals then we have already failed.

Attempting to remove a significant percentage of a population forcibly can and will result in genocide as is plain to see anytime it is attempted.

Its not an option i care to consider simply because we can see where it leads us.

We have already started down that pathway, the best we can do is hope it will not get out of control, but it will

How can you call it becoming what we hate? Its being practicle and logical. im sure we wont be killing people and cooking them in ovens liek the SS was doing.

No we wont do as the nazi did, but where do we stop and who is going to stop us. When the voice of reasion is lost the voice of maddness takes its place

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

How does an act of symbolism solve the problem?

Sounds to me like you just want to be catered to by those you think are part of the problem.

You lost me. I do not know what you mean.

a reply to: UKTruth

"I want to see Muslims on the streets marching, wrapped in American flags or British flags, pledging support to the constitution of the country that supports them."

I don't think we are ever going to see that happening any more than i do mass deportations and/or interment camps.

Thing is people simply don't support there respective nations in the same manner as days of old. Then again is it any wonder considering the atrocity's, war and conflicts we seem to become embroiled and associated with these days?

Truth is own governments had a significant hand in the creation of these Islamic fundamentalist groups by way of our proxy wars and meddling is affairs that frankly were non of our concern to begin with.

Im in no way attempting to excuse there senseless nefarious actions just pointing out where they came from.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: introvert

You know, instead of acting as a good guy, and making everyone else look bad for simply trying to save the lives of innocent people, you should suggest what should be done so this kind of attacks never happen again.

But I do know that I am not willing to go the extremes some others suggest, out of anger or emotions. Those extremes would make us no better than the damned terrorists.

No. Deporting, monitoring and immigration bans does not or will not make us as bad as the terrorists. Last time I checked they were chopping heads off, blowing people up, drowning people in cages, setting fire to people, shooting people and squashing people under truck wheels.

To suggest that they are the same is emotional blackmail.

What you just posted is emotional blackmail.

Quite the conundrum.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: introvert

You know, instead of acting as a good guy, and making everyone else look bad for simply trying to save the lives of innocent people, you should suggest what should be done so this kind of attacks never happen again.

But I do know that I am not willing to go the extremes some others suggest, out of anger or emotions. Those extremes would make us no better than the damned terrorists.

No. Deporting, monitoring and immigration bans does not or will not make us as bad as the terrorists. Last time I checked they were chopping heads off, blowing people up, drowning people in cages, setting fire to people, shooting people and squashing people under truck wheels.

To suggest that they are the same is emotional blackmail.

What you just posted is emotional blackmail.

Quite the conundrum.

Hardly. Maybe you just don't understand that stating clear differences is not emotional blackmail, whilst saying something like 'we'd be just like the terrorists' is.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

How does an act of symbolism solve the problem?

Sounds to me like you just want to be catered to by those you think are part of the problem.

You lost me. I do not know what you mean.

i want to see Muslims on the streets marching, wrapped in American flags or British flags, pledging support to the constitution of the country that supports them. I want to see thousands of Muslims marching to reject sharia law.

You are asking for symbolism. That is not a solution.

I have an idea why don't we all send them a peace offering.... Bush & Blair would be a good start don't you think.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: yuppa

But if we must become what we hate to achieve our goals then we have already failed.

Attempting to remove a significant percentage of a population forcibly can and will result in genocide as is plain to see anytime it is attempted.

Its not an option i care to consider simply because we can see where it leads us.

Preventing more people from coming into the country without at least the minimum of scrutiny is not genocide. Halting immigration for some months in order to take stock of what we are doing, what we plan to do and how to do it is not genocide. Tracking down all those on watch lists and sending them away (if they are not US citizens) is not genocide. Implementing a ZERO tolerance policy and incarceration (or deportation) on communication with terrorist organizations and mosques is not genocide.

There are many steps which can be taken before the sky starts to fall, and all of them are reasonable. Switzerland has closed its borders against a perceived threat. Israel has done so for a long time. I am a French citizen who had to submit to great scrutiny before becoming American, including medical tests. My friend (also French) who overstayed his visa by 2 weeks was escorted to a plane bodily and expelled from the country for 5 years for breaking the rules. Sad but fair.

Enough with the immediate finger-pointing at those who demand security and the implication that we are all Nazis. That is offensive to those who lived and died under Hitler's rule and is a shameful association. It is a transparent and facile implication which only serves to steer an intellectual conversation into an emotional one, which in itself is useless.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: UKTruth

"I want to see Muslims on the streets marching, wrapped in American flags or British flags, pledging support to the constitution of the country that supports them."

I don't think we are ever going to see that happening any more than i do mass deportations and/or interment camps.

Thing is people simply don't support there respective nations in the same manner as days of old. Then again is it any wonder considering the atrocity's, war and conflicts we seem to become embroiled and associated with these days?

Truth is own governments had a significant hand in the creation of these Islamic fundamentalist groups by way of our proxy wars and meddling is affairs that frankly were non of our concern to begin with.

Im in no way attempting to excuse there senseless nefarious actions just pointing out where they came from.

I agree - we'll likely never see that.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: introvert

You know, instead of acting as a good guy, and making everyone else look bad for simply trying to save the lives of innocent people, you should suggest what should be done so this kind of attacks never happen again.

But I do know that I am not willing to go the extremes some others suggest, out of anger or emotions. Those extremes would make us no better than the damned terrorists.

No. Deporting, monitoring and immigration bans does not or will not make us as bad as the terrorists. Last time I checked they were chopping heads off, blowing people up, drowning people in cages, setting fire to people, shooting people and squashing people under truck wheels.

To suggest that they are the same is emotional blackmail.

What you just posted is emotional blackmail.

Quite the conundrum.

Hardly. Maybe you just don't understand that stating clear differences is not emotional blackmail, whilst saying something like 'we'd be just like the terrorists' is.

How are you going to go about rounding-up people to deport them? What criteria will be used to separate simple criminals and potential terrorists? What if they have families?

See where I am going with this?

You are opening the door to persecution and that would not make is any better.

I just find myself a little perplexed here. How was the driver able to :

1) Travel approx. 1.2 miles before being stopped ? Especially considering he was only traveling a speed of approx. 20-25 miles an hour.

2) Kill, AGAIN, at a speed of approx. 20-25 miles an hour ... 84 people ?

Now I don't mean to be graphic here, but running over enough bodies would, if we're thinking logically here, slow your vehicle down a noticeable degree. If only momentarily. The acceleration/speed, in my opinion, does not outweigh the mass here. Again, in my opinion.

And on top of all this, wouldn't the people up ahead of the carnage be able to hear the screams and cries from behind ... and therefore be able to react accordingly without harm coming to themselves and/or loved ones ? Again, this truck was traveling 20-25 miles an hour.

Now I've watched the videos. A few times now. And I can't seem to shake off the feeling that something is very, very off, with not only the videos themselves ... but the whole situation in it's entirety.

One thing is VERY CLEAR to me, however. And that is the global agenda that is being pushed. And quite forcefully at that.

Now here's a bonus question for all my ATS " sleuths " out there ...

WHY are these global agendas being pushed so hard this year ??

I'll save my personal thoughts and opinions on that question for later.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

How does an act of symbolism solve the problem?

Sounds to me like you just want to be catered to by those you think are part of the problem.

You lost me. I do not know what you mean.

i want to see Muslims on the streets marching, wrapped in American flags or British flags, pledging support to the constitution of the country that supports them. I want to see thousands of Muslims marching to reject sharia law.

You are asking for symbolism. That is not a solution.

As one aspect - you failed to mention the other discussions - namely screening existing muslims, deportation where appropriate and stopping immigration from certainly areas of the world. That's unlike you to take a point in isolation like that

Even that point - I don't think it's symbolic to get the Muslim community standing up for their country. It would be like saying that the civil rights movement was symbolic.

a reply to: RoyBatty

The sky has already fallen regarding immigration. No point in crying over split milk but we need to address the problem of the masses already upon us.

Possibly by closing the door regarding future immigration until such time as we as the nation is able to support the people we already have.

But as to deportation and interment camps, that's just wrong, and it wont happen because any democratic government that actually implemented such policy would not be around to see another term i imagine. Never mind imagine i dam well hope that's the case.