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originally posted by: Profusion
How do you verify something outside your own mind when verification is an act of the mind?
Is there verification outside of the mind? I don't think so. Even in the case of ESP, the only way you know you're right is if you verify what you saw with your mind (one way or another).
originally posted by: micpsi
"Profusion" is arguing for epistemological solipsism. Unfortunately, this denies the existence of all other minds other than that of the solipsist. If verification outside one's own mind were always impossible, all of science would crumble into a long series of subjective statements that could only be proved by those who actually made them. Solipsism opposes all forms of realism, one of the presuppositions of science. This position is absurdly and self-evidently wrong. I don't need YOUR experiences to confirm your statements; I only need similar experience (sets of data acquired by measurement and observation). The very fact that such analogous sets of experiences exist, allowing the existence of a concensus reality explainable by science, invalidates solipsism.
That independent minds can arrive at the same scientific conclusions despite having different experiences is evidence that the universe exists independently of the observer and is not purely a mental artifact. It can of course be argued that "it is all in the mind" and that I only ever know what ultimately needs my mind to recognise it. But it does not follow from this that nothing exists outside my mind. The solipsist fails to distinguish between knowledge, which is a mental representation, and the object described by that representation. He does not want to recognise that anything but he exists. So he conflates the two conceptual categories. That's why the philosophical position of "Profusion" is false.
originally posted by: Profusion
Do you want to assume that you know what "God" is?
Is there verification outside of the mind? I don't think so. Even in the case of ESP, the only way you know you're right is if you verify what you sensed with your mind (one way or another).
but observer actually refers to any type of person or object/instrument that is capable of observing.
We are our hands, our senses, our skin, and all bodily functions and properties; and we can come into contact with the outer world only because we are a part of it.
Clearly you do not accept the notion that we are an extension of God (a mini-ME of God as it were). If you did , you would not write this post
Seems you are very rational and too empirical and practical for your own good.
originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
Lots of people don't accept the notion. Why should they?
Personally, I have come across more then one almighty god on the inner who have picked fights with me because I don't accept their notions to bow down to them.
Being rational and too empiracal and practical was what enabled me to see through those gods and beat them up after they tried to smite me.