a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I'm enjoying this back and forth....legitimately
Here's the issue I have with both sides. Let's use Transgender as my example. Clearly there are the extremist SJW's. I've seen them. I am a white, Cis
male...although pansexual...but that doesn't matter in this example. But because I was a cis, white male, I was told that I should be essentially
gotten rid of. No violence per se....but I felt it underneath.
However, here is my take on it as an active social justice advocate. I promise this is as balanced as I can make it.
First, I see that for a couple of centuries and more, this country has had an ugly past of racism, sexism, anti-gay sentiment...you name it. And I
don't feel you are denying that. Native Americans. Hispanic. Black. Gay. Women. on and on. The problem I have with some individual who fight back
against the "SJW menace" is that there is an ignorance in many of the cases.
The belief always seems to be that because we've enacted suffrage and rid ourselves (ages ago) of things like 3/5's laws, that this suddenly meant we
were 100% equal. It feels as if some people today use "family values" as a barely covert method of covering racism, sexism, etc. Just because equal
vote comes through does not mean that equality exists. Blue Laws can and have been used against minorities under the guise of poor performance. I just
cannot stand telling blacks that they should "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" when we keep cutting the laces. We drop programs targeted to help
these minorities and the destitute. This is so weird to me because they are often cheaper programs than bloated programs that could be cut even a bit
to save money for these.
Now....that is NOT the end of the story
The problem I have with SJW's is that extremism does come out...seemingly a lot. Now, whether that is a process of instant-on social media is a matter
to discuss separately. So here is my major issue. If I am transgender, I can expect that I will get a hefty amount of backlash. However that does not
make it right. Some SJWs have understood that because of the fact that their minority has been held back, they must respond in radical manner. I
actually agree with that...to a point. Radical to me is different than extreme. Because the estimation is that LGBTQ+ is under the thumb of the
majority, there has to be some radical movement to rise above. Women couldn't just say, "can we please vote now" and expect instant change. It does
not work that way.
That is problem one I have with the cause. Many of our people expect that it's going to change tomorrow. IT WILL NOT CHANGE over night. It just isn't
going to happen. Yes ideally I wish it would, but that is not realistic. But that is small potatoes.
The meat of my problem with my own movement is that, while some find it understandable, we live in such a reactionary society that we jump on things,
and violently so...sometimes without even understanding it. Let me give you two examples. One personal and one social.
I have a friend who is transgender male. He has not yet had full hormone dosing and has not done over or under surgery. At this point, he still looks
quite as his prior gender. I find myself protective of him but he's a big boy...he can handle himself. But here is the problem...and I have seen this
live and even snapped back at him despite my general agreement. If tomorrow, you met me and he was with me, and without knowing or meaning to, you
said 'ma,am' or miss, or something feminine, he would EXPLODE and tear you into a million pieces and make you think you are the living embodiment of
all that is evil. First, you didn't know. Second, that is NOT how we are going to help outsiders learn who we are.
So yes...I want to advance the true LGBTQ+ cause. That is not how you do it....at all All that does is close communication. Now if you were
purposefully call him 'her,' then I could understand anger. But to just bite your face off like that? Ouch. One thing a very stable, pot-op trans-man
I know once told me was a major insight...a real a-ha moment.
If you are my brother, and at age 20 I tell you I am a woman inside, I realistically can understand your confusion, frustration, anger, etc. Why?
Because for the last 20 years I have had all the tim in the world to think about it and come to terms with it. You've had two minutes. Makes sense to
The social example....this is so reactionary.
I want to point out to ATS I DO NOT agree with this method...you'll see why I say this
When Michael Brown as shot, the country went berserk for a few weeks. People on both sides were super reactionary. Some people said he had to be
guilty without question and some said not a chance he was guilty without question.
Some guy found a picture of Brown and wrote a letter to prove a point. Here is why I said I don't agree with the method.
The letter started with decent sized letters saying, "Dear friend of Michael Brown," then in normal type the writer went on to say, "I am writing this
to prove how reactionary you are and to show that barely any of you will read the actual content." He then went on to say some REALLY racist stuff
about Brown...I mean REALLY bad. He ended it with AMEN
People posted this picture far and wide with comments on how "this person gets it."
How does that help a cause?