Donald Trump: Black Like Me

Part 1

Donald Trump is a liar. He has accused Ted Cruz of being a liar and accused Hillary Clinton of being a liar. I haven't checked but it wouldn't surprise me to find that he had accused every single candidate who ran against him in the primaries of being a liar. It is entirely possible that they are all liars. The first casualty of politics is the truth.

Voters have to deal with that. The task is to find the lesser of two liars.

I watched Trump's speech in Raleigh, North Carolina and was surprised to see that he is still peddling the big lie that "we" gave Iran 150 billion dollars in the nuclear deal and got nothing in return.That has been thoroughly debunked over and over again. Just google it. As lies go it's a beaut. It's a layered lie. Trump gives the impression that the "nuclear deal" was done by the United States alone. It wasn't. He states that "we", meaning the United States, gave the Iranians 150 billion dollars. "We" didn't. "We" didn't give Iran ANYTHING.

What the signatories of the deal did, in exchange for undertakings related to Iran's nuclear program, was TO PAY THEM WHAT WE OWED THEM, mainly for oil purchased from them and to unfreeze assets of THEIRS that had been frozen, to force them into acceding to "great power" demands regarding their nuclear program.

It was a success for the Obama administration and for humanity, but Donald Trump has chosen to lie about it and spin it into a "yuge" failure, a "yuge", overblown, operatic, TRUMPIAN catastrophe, the sort of failure designed to catch the attention of and sway large numbers of not very bright people.

It was not a success for Israel.

In a bizarre attempt to snatch what was a bitter defeat for Israel and to jam it into the jaws of victory for America and humanity, Donald Trump has used the Hitlerian tactic of THE BIG LIE. He is trying to reassert American solidarity with Israel even if it means pushing Americans into the camp of the defeated.

It should be pointed out that with the aid of nuclear proliferating governments in the United States, Great Britain, and South Africa, Israel was able to obtain the means to develop nuclear weapons and is, thanks to these nuclear proliferators, now believed to have several hundred nuclear warheads and the capability of delivering them in the region of the Middle East.

Israel has always been a good "dog wagger" and Donald Trump is giving the strong appearance of being a first class dog for Israel, carrying on in a long tradition of non-Israeli politicians for whom the motto "my country, Israel, right or wrong" applies.

The fervent devotion of politicians around the world to the cause of Israel is quite amazing.

In the Raleigh speech Donald Trump suggested that foreign governments might be blackmailing Hillary Clinton. He has suggested that Mrs. Clinton and former president, Bill Clintom, have both exchanged political influence for cash payments. If that happened, it would be commonplace in politics. This is the sort of misdemeanor that happens all the time and is considered serious only if done in a particularly flagrant way, offensive to decency, the common welfare or national security.

Mr. Trump has suggested that both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton have jeopardized the national security of the United States.

Mr. Trump has accused his opponents of being liars. He has accused other nations of "raping" the United States, and he has suggested that Mrs. Clinton might be susceptible to blackmail by foreign interests, perhaps even foreign governments.

We know that Mr. Trump is a liar and that Mr. Trump has been accused of being a pedophile and a rapist, but is Mr. Trump also susceptible of being blackmailed by anyone, a foreign interest, or perhaps even a foreign government?

Part 2

Who is Jeffrey Epstein? That question is answered, in a nut shell, by the first paragraph of his Wikipedia biography.

en.wikipedia.org...

Jeffrey Edward Epstein (born January 20, 1953) is an American financier.[1] He worked at Bear Stearns early in his career and subsequently formed his own firm, J. Epstein & Co. In 2008 Epstein was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution and given an eighteen-month prison sentence, of which he served thirteen months.[2] He is a registered level three sex offender.[1][3]

He is also an acquaintance of Donald Trump's.

nymag.com...

Epstein likes to tell people that he's a loner, a man who's never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. "I've known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,'' Trump booms from a speakerphone. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it -- Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Well. Well, well, well. The above quotation indicates to me that Mr. Trump's relationship with Mr. Epstein must have had a social component. It is dangerous to take isolated quotations and make too much of them, but I don't think it would be an unfair assumption to make, based on the above, that Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein socialized in addition to whatever business interests they might have shared.

Unfortunately Mr. Epstein's social life, if police investigations are to be believed, might present serious hazards to people who availed themselves of his hospitality and fun loving good nature.

en.wikipedia.org...

Police started an 11-month undercover investigation of Epstein, followed by a search of his home. . . . Papers filed in 2006 state that Epstein installed concealed cameras in numerous places in his property to record sex between prominent people and underage prostitutes for criminal purposes such as blackmail.[21]

These court papers are allegations. Mr. Epstein has not been convicted of blackmail or extortion. However, it is reported that concealed cameras were found by a police search of one of Mr. Epstein's homes.

Mr. Trump said, in a telphone conversation with an interviewer from New York Magazine, ". . . he (Mr. Epstein) likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

Would it be a stretch to say that Donald Trump must have been aware of Jeffrey Epstein's sexual proclivities? I don't think so. I think Donald Trump knew all about Jeffrey Epstein. Did Donald Trump share Mr. Epstein's sexual proclivities?

Let's take a look at his remark on the subject of Paris Hilton.

www.politico.com...

“I’ve known Paris Hilton from the time she’s 12. Her parents are friends of mine, and, you know, the first time I saw her, she walked into the room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that?’ … Well, at 12, I wasn’t interested. I’ve never been into that. They’re sort of always stuck around that 25 category.” (The Howard Stern Show, 2003)

There are roses and rosebuds. Both are beautiful. In our society people don't pick the rosebuds. As the above indicates, Donald Trump was certainly interested in 12 year old Paris Hilton, until he found out that she was 12 years old.

But he didn't say that she was a "rosebud" or jailbait. He said, "I've never been into that."

He didn't say, "That's Jeffrey Epstein's thing." He didn't say, "I don't go for girls that young, but I know someone who does." he didn't say, "Pedophilia is against the law."

He said, "I've never been into that."

But we know Donald Trump is a liar. That leaves us in a fix. Could he be telling the truth in this case?

Lots of questions, one of which is, "Is Jeffrey Epstein an asset of Israeli intelligence, whose job is to compromise and obtain blackmail material on people like Donald Trump?"

It's a good question and makes more sense the more you get into the details of how his sex related criminal charges have been handled by the courts and how they have had virtually no impact on his status in high society.

Remember, the allegations of pedophilia and rape against Donald Trump were alleged to have occurred in the company of Jeffrey Epstein, later a convicted sexual predator and fully equipped potential blackmailer.

The Donald is a funny bunny, much given to "projection", seeing his own faults in others. Liar, rapist, blackmail victim, even assassin? He has made all of these allegations against others, almost reflexively. Here's a suggested title for his eventual political biography: Black Like Me.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Mr. Trump has suggested that both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton have jeopardized the national security of the United States.

I am sorry, but how's this a lie?

We know that Mr. Trump is a liar and that Mr. Trump has been accused of being a pedophile and a rapist, but is Mr. Trump also susceptible of being blackmailed by anyone, a foreign interest, or perhaps even a foreign government?

And this is just not worth responding to.

I can't wait for the live debates...

a reply to: ipsedixit
Jesus Would Not Vote For A Casino Owner ? who is this jesus and if he was real.. you think he would even vote? hahaha and wow it seems like Mr. Trump really got you down... poor you haha

Trump threads are redundant now.

Trump haters, like myself, will continue to hate him, acknowledging the myriad of lies spread about him.

His Cult will continue to defend him against the most ghastly of accusations, with the occasional "well that's wrong".



We are all firmly planted in two camps.


Why anyone would vote for the lesser of two liars/evils when there is more than two choices is a fool though.

I haven't heard much about Johnson, but I've yet to hear a bad word said about him.
Do the right thing America.

Kick Trump & Hillary to the curb.

Then move on to Congress.

originally posted by: Nikola014

Mr. Trump has suggested that both Mr. and Mrs. Clinton have jeopardized the national security of the United States.


I am sorry, but how's this a lie?

Did someone say it is a lie?

We know that Mr. Trump is a liar and that Mr. Trump has been accused of being a pedophile and a rapist, but is Mr. Trump also susceptible of being blackmailed by anyone, a foreign interest, or perhaps even a foreign government?


And this is just not worth responding to.

Especially if there is no good response to it.

I can't wait for the live debates...

It'll be interesting.

originally posted by: ware2010
a reply to: ipsedixit
Jesus Would Not Vote For A Casino Owner ? who is this jesus and if he was real.. you think he would even vote? hahaha and wow it seems like Mr. Trump really got you down... poor you haha

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

The slogans in my sig are a joke. They are the sort of things I thought might get through to the average Trump persuadable voter.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Donald Trump is a Liar. Ted Cruz is a Liar. Hillary Clinton IS A LIAR. Name a politician and I'll tell you there a liar I will probably be right. Maybe Bernie Sanders is exempt from the list, maybe not.

a reply to: Nikola014

You can't wait to see Trump trampled? Hillary is going to slaughter him. Debates require that you know stuff like the issues or history or you know...government.
Trump knows how to insult. Trump knows conspiracy theories. Trump knows little else.

a reply to: 191stMIDET

Point taken.

Trump is suggesting that Hillary Clinton's email indiscretions may have left her open to blackmail.

In this thread I am suggesting that in view of Mr. Trump's association with Mr. Epstein, in view of the allegations of sexual impropriety in the company of Mr. Epstein, a convicted sexual predator and clandestine photographer of sex play in his home, that Mr. Trump might very well be vulnerable to blackmail himself.

Does Israel already have Trump in the bag?

I should point out that I fully support the right of Israel to exist and I have stated in these forums that Israel probably has the bast case in favor of possessing nuclear weapons of any nation, considering the real threat it faces from its neighbors.

If Donald Trump were President, that nuclear deal would never have been done. We would have been closer to adhering to the insane Israeli agenda in the Middle East of wrecking all hostile governments in the region. Barack Obama had a sane and intelligent response to Israeli inspired hysteria in the region. Humanity is the better off for it.

Under Trump it would be different. I think Israel has Trump in the bag, possibly as a result of the efforts of Jeffrey Epstein.

a reply to: ware2010

Yeah Jesus wasn't American.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I cannot wait to see hows your precious hillary going to deal with someone asking tough questions....remember, she can't hide from Trump, as shes been hiding from the press for almost a year now!

She's going to get called out on every single lie she over told.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Trump supporters dont sway.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: Sillyolme


She's going to get called out on every single lie she over told.

And so is Donald Trump for that matter. I'm particularly interested in his friendship with Jeffery Epstein.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: Sillyolme

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I cannot wait to see hows your precious hillary going to deal with someone asking tough questions....remember, she can't hide from Trump, as shes been hiding from the press for almost a year now!

She's going to get called out on every single lie she over told.

People have been slinging the same mud at her for many, many years. She did not get to where she is today without being able to handle numbskulls that think they can take her down with stupid "gotcha" moments.

What is really going to be interesting is to see if Trump can debate Hillary on the issues without making a fool of himself. Whether you like her or not, we have to admit that Hillary knows about policy and government. Trump does not.

a reply to: Nikola014

I Can't wait to see trump go duh I don't know. Over and over.
You're kidding that you think he could beat her in a debate aren't you?
Only 99% of people think hillary will trounce him.
Oh he doesn't get to ask the questions you know. Maybe you don't. This is a laugh in any event.

You can't wait to see Trump trampled? Hillary is going to slaughter him. Debates require that you know stuff like the issues or history or you know...government.

a reply to: Sillyolme

You're right on that assessment. The debates are going to enlighten a lot of voters of how little Trump really knows about foreign policy and the way government runs. He won't be able to use a teleprompter so he's going to have to retain a lot of information his foreign policy advisor coaches him on.

I think he'll offset what he doesn't know with attacks on Clinton's e-mails and other questionable foreign policy dealings. Eventually, I think his lack of knowledge related to foreign policy and government issues will just be too difficult to hide.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Lies and pedophilia. That's quite the accusation. Of course, what you've proven is that his only crime is talking, while you engage in slander.

a reply to: ipsedixit

and I have stated in these forums that Israel probably has the bast case in favor of possessing nuclear weapons of any nation, considering the real threat it faces from its neighbors.

So you support a racist Zionist state that lies about its Nuke capabilities and yet are worried that Trump may be compromised....hahahaha

I think you guys are pretty scared of Trump actually knowing what to talk about when the time is right. If you seriously think that he got that wealthy while being almost as dumb as hillary( that is if we believe she was careless when dealing with things that could have a huge impact on american national security ), then you will get a huge wake up call.

Trump knows what he's fighting for, and I know he is more than capable of destroying that criminal, who's not in jail only because her last name is Clinton.