Okay, Which one is correct then?

originally posted by: DaathSader

originally posted by: In4ormant
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

I already told you that is not messianic prophecy that if it was CALLED is different from WILL BE.

What government rests on his shoulders?

And are you saying that the Son is now the Father? Because now you are just getting desperate.

that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:30)
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting, that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." (John 18:36)

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." (Matthew 28:18)


Getting that God vibe.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

I bet.

a reply to: In4ormant

Ok your not gonna get it so I am not going to argue when you are proving yourself wrong and can't even tell.

Read it from cover to cover and then come talk to me.

a reply to: Akragon

The NT is littered with men AND ANGELS, worshiping Jesus Christ. He allows it, and rebukes no one. Yet He told Satan that man should worship God only. Did He lie to Satan, was He encouraging idolatry from man and angels?

Of course not, He was sinless. So why did He allow men and Angels to worship Him?

originally posted by: DaathSader
a reply to: In4ormant

Ok your not gonna get it so I am not going to argue when you are proving yourself wrong and can't even tell.

Read it from cover to cover and then come talk to me.

I have read it many times.
Here ya go. Here is a list of the OT prophetic texts along with the NT texts that show he fullfilled them.
Go do some reading yourself. I have provided you with everything you need.

originally posted by: DaathSader
a reply to: NOTurTypical

I bet.

See Daniel chapter 2 and the dream of Nebuchanezzar.

a reply to: NOTurTypical

Maybe because he was the Son Of God...

As he actually says

Maybe because they considered him Their King... Like it actually says

Not because he was God... Like he actually never claims

Yet He told Satan that man should worship God only. Did He lie to Satan

Don't ya think that is a telling statement in itself... MAN should worship God only?

Why would satan even attempt to tell "God" to worship him... its a ridiculous idea IF he was God in the flesh

a reply to: In4ormant

I agree with that, but I think Isaiah 9:6 is talking about when all the government of man will be in His shoulders at the 2nd coming. Daniel 2 vision that he told the king was for the end times. His kingdom comes to Earth, smashes the statue and grows into a mountain that takes up the entire Earth. In prophetic dreams and visions a mountain is always a kingdom.

a reply to: In4ormant

It doesn't say the Messiah is God that has never been a Jewish belief.

You WANT something to be true and instead of just saying ok, it doesn't say Jesus is God but I still believe it you are doing the dance.

I would respect honesty more than inventing meaning that isn't there.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Maybe because he was the Son Of God...

As he actually says

Maybe because they considered him Their King... Like it actually says

Not because he was God... Like he actually never claims

Yet He told Satan that man should worship God only. Did He lie to Satan

Don't ya think that is a telling statement in itself... MAN should worship God only?

Why would satan even attempt to tell "God" to worship him... its a ridiculous idea IF he was God in the flesh

You think angels worship anything other than God?

a reply to: NOTurTypical

Apparently...

They will worship the Son of God... as it says

originally posted by: DaathSader
a reply to: In4ormant

It doesn't say the Messiah is God that has never been a Jewish belief.

You WANT something to be true and instead of just saying ok, it doesn't say Jesus is God but I still believe it you are doing the dance.

I would respect honesty more than inventing meaning that isn't there.

I'm not Jewish.
Thought you had figured that out by now.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Apparently...

They will worship the Son of God... as it says

Your interpretation of the phrase is different from the actual meaning at the time it was used.

carm.org...

a reply to: In4ormant

The very first line of your link tells the entire story...

The term "son of God" occurs more than 40 times in the Bible, all of them in the New Testament.

The Messiah wasn't ever supposed to be God in the flesh...

And the NT didn't exist at that time... Christian interpretation of something that wasn't even Christian...

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Apparently...

They will worship the Son of God... as it says

My position is that the Son took on flesh, that He is God. That's why the angels worship Him.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: In4ormant

The very first line of your link tells the entire story...

The term "son of God" occurs more than 40 times in the Bible, all of them in the New Testament.

The Messiah wasn't ever supposed to be God in the flesh...

And the NT didn't exist at that time... Christian interpretation of something that wasn't even Christian...

John the Baptist called him the Lamb of God, does that mean he actually was a lamb?

we aren't going to see eye to eye here and thats ok. I am.perfectly content with my beliefs and it doesn't make me a mindless drone bent to the will of some diabolical organization.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Apparently...

They will worship the Son of God... as it says

My position is that the Son took on flesh, that He is God. That's why the angels worship Him.

Oh i know... that is the standard Christian position

Regardless of its truth... Keep in mind i was a Christian all my life...

I know your beliefs brother

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: In4ormant

The very first line of your link tells the entire story...

The term "son of God" occurs more than 40 times in the Bible, all of them in the New Testament.

The Messiah wasn't ever supposed to be God in the flesh...

And the NT didn't exist at that time... Christian interpretation of something that wasn't even Christian...

John the Baptist called him the Lamb of God, does that mean he actually was a lamb?

we aren't going to see eye to eye here and thats ok. I am.perfectly content with my beliefs and it doesn't make me a mindless drone bent to the will of some diabolical organization.

I said nothing of the sort...

I am not here to insult or degrade peoples beliefs... (like some do)

you are free to believe whatever you like...

Im just having a discussion with my fellow members of our forum...

Agreement isn't necessary... just civility

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NOTurTypical

Apparently...

They will worship the Son of God... as it says

My position is that the Son took on flesh, that He is God. That's why the angels worship Him.

Oh i know... that is the standard Christian position

Regardless of its truth... Keep in mind i was a Christian all my life...

I know your beliefs brother

Explain your conversion, tell me your testimony.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: In4ormant

The very first line of your link tells the entire story...

The term "son of God" occurs more than 40 times in the Bible, all of them in the New Testament.

The Messiah wasn't ever supposed to be God in the flesh...

And the NT didn't exist at that time... Christian interpretation of something that wasn't even Christian...

John the Baptist called him the Lamb of God, does that mean he actually was a lamb?

we aren't going to see eye to eye here and thats ok. I am.perfectly content with my beliefs and it doesn't make me a mindless drone bent to the will of some diabolical organization.

I said nothing of the sort...

I am not here to insult or degrade peoples beliefs... (like some do)

you are free to believe whatever you like...

Im just having a discussion with my fellow members of our forum...

Agreement isn't necessary... just civility

I believe Jesus' words at the last supper are pretty telling on what and who he considered himself to be.