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Išhara is both illness- and cure-bestowed goddess; it also seems that a number of attributes such as underground, plant, mountain, river, spring, queen of oath, sexuality, propagation, cursing, and making purification from the harmful things are given to this goddess.
The statue of Išḫara in the city Nerissa had the form of a girl and it was decorated with garments, gold and silver As a goddess of Love and sexuality Išḫara belongs to the group of young goddesses, and therefore she bears the Hurrian epithet šiduru = girl.
Apollo was formerly simply their oracle or interpreter a similar role to Alaunus, because of course the collective consciousness can communicate directly.
Turner, who is considered to have “re-discovered the importance of liminality”, first came across van Gennep’s work in 1963. In 1967 he published his book The Forest of Symbols, which included an essay entitled Betwixt and Between: The Liminal Period in Rites of Passage. Within the works of Turner, liminality began to wander away from its narrow application to ritual passages in small-scale societies. In the various works he completed while conducting his fieldwork amongst the Ndembu in Zambia, he made numerous connections between tribal and non-tribal societies, “sensing that what he argued for the Ndembu had relevance far beyond the specific ethnographic context". He became aware that liminality “...served not only to identify the importance of in-between periods, but also to understand the human reactions to liminal experiences: the way liminality shaped personality, the sudden foregrounding of agency, and the sometimes dramatic tying together of thought and experience".
'The attributes of liminality or of liminal personae ("threshold people") are necessarily ambiguous'. One's sense of identity dissolves to some extent, bringing about disorientation, but also the possibility of new perspectives. Turner posits that, if liminality is regarded as a time and place of withdrawal from normal modes of social action, it potentially can be seen as a period of scrutiny for central values and axioms of the culture where it occurs. - one where normal limits to thought, self-understanding, and behavior are undone. In such situations, “the very structure of society [is] temporarily suspended"
'According to Turner, all liminality must eventually dissolve, for it is a state of great intensity that cannot exist very long without some sort of structure to stabilize it...either the individual returns to the surrounding social structure...or else liminal communities develop their own internal social structure, a condition Turner calls "normative communitas"'.
Ishara could provide regulation in terms of maintenance of purity,
latter function that now seems predominant without any actual oracle, in conjunction with an emphasis on Masculine external Deities of the Heavens.
originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Kantzveldt
I'm no expert on North American Indian cosmology, but from what I've been reading, they had no concept of a Sun Goddess in the Netherworld.
To share a bit about what I've learned, I'll briefly relate the following:
1) They have a creation story...........the Eagle created man from clay and woman from a feather and then breathed life into them by flapping his wings over them.
2) They had something known as the "life way", which they studied and observed and tried to live in harmony with.
3) They speak of the "Great Mystery" which seems to involve the Mystery of why they were created and the mystery of their place in the Universe. They didn't seem to focus on questions like.......where is the Earth, what is the Sun, what are the Stars. Rather they observed these celestial bodies and familiarized themselves with their movements as though they were lucky audience of a celestial play or display of nature.
4) Spirits were in everything and everywhere and were to be honored, listened to, observed and counseled. They speak of things like the "Spirit of the Deer", the Spirit of the Eagle. So, when they hunted and slay a Deer, they honored its spirit and in eating its meat in took something of that Spirit.
5) Earth is "Mother" of Mankind.
6) The Great Spirit is Creator.
7) Each animal and man as well participated in and possessed a "Spirit Vibration" which, when conformed to the 4 Directions, (North, South, East and West) could be tuned in and up to various power attributes of the directions.
It seems everything was based upon nature and harmony with nature or where there was lack of harmony, then there was a "disturbance in the force", (or Spirit) which cast a pall over the land causing creatures to depart for more harmonious realms.
The “terrifying”, hatuka -, “dark”, Luwian mar ( k ) uwa -, Heptad assists Iyarri, the god who brings pestilence shooting his arrows. The Heptad is associated also to the Tutelary-god of the hunting bag
Iyarri, the god who brings pestilence, shoots his arrows like Apollo against those whom he hates.
“The Dark ones” (“The Heptad, the Dark ones”) is not merely an awesome appearance, but has a clearly negative connota-tion, the awesome appearance of Iyarri, the god of the plague, accompanied by the Heptad, is identical to that of Erra and the Sibitti
This shows that, even if Iyarri had been of foreign origin, he did not reach Anatolia by means of the Hurrian rites
. The populations of the Hittite and Luwian regions were on familiar terms with this god, which means that he responded to real deeply-rooted needs.
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Byrd
You seem to have some understanding about Americans. To tie Sun goddess of underworld, is there evidence to support the notion of a wise person on their death-bed, as a liminal person, sharing wisdom from both perspectives(worlds)?
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Byrd
I didn't want to start my own White Man's Indian rumor.
I think the death-bed wisdom as reflected in Genesis is a Patriarchal concept (Isaac, Jacob).