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Can America recover its reputation in the world?

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posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 05:21 AM
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The sad thing is the American citizens ARE decent respectable people.
Unfortunatly, they ensue what most consider overblown patriotism.
They beleive in America, thats good.
They beleive in their leader, thats good too.
Unfortunatly they beleive in both so much free thinking becomes shelved,
especially in difficult times. After 9/11 its quite understandable they were/are shocked and afraid and angered, but they have allowed a charism,atic leadership to whip them into an antiterrorist frenzy, leaving all common sense behind, blinded by the light.
Now I make an analogy, and please understand this IS NOT INTENDED TO OFFEND !!
The germans are also decent respectable people, they were patriotic (to Extreme) they beleived in their leader, they bweleived in Germany.
But they became so worked up that they refused to acknowledge that their glorious leader was becoming a maniac, they kept waving their flags and saluting, even when folk were rounded up in the streets!
America HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THE NAZI REGIME, however, how many early actions of that regime were accepted and reasoned as nessesary by the good folk of germany, I point to the bombing of Afghansitan. Then more serious actions followed, but still the good folk of Germany beleived in their courageos leader and they kept waving their flags. I point to the invasion of Iraq.
Their glorious leader became worse and worse, his actions more and more extreme, but by this time the good folk were so blinded by their overblown patriotism that their glorious leader could do no wrong. It MUST have been nessesary they reasoned, as folk were rounded up like cattle and dissappeared.

Now many folk can see a certain leader becoming unstable and quickly, how long before muslims are being forced into ghettos in the US? How long till till they are rounded up in the name of war on terrorism?
Whos to say? who thought a certain history would unfold as it did.
No people want to think their leadership is off the rails, we all are proudly patriotic no matter where we are from, I bet the Iraqis didnt think their own leader would gas them either.

How long can Americans allow themselves to be treated like sheep by their leadership? America Is a great country, but its the morals, decency and common sense of the people that make it so. The American Admin makes a mockery of its people, it makes a mockery of democracy.
Im sure the American people didnt know Dubya would become a lunatic, we never know BEFORE we vote them in, But you DO know now!
Dont give this dispicable man another term., you owe it to yourselves to have a decent leadership, that honestly, truely, and realistically reflects the will of the people, thats Democracy!




posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
America's image was tarnished by the war in Vietnam and it was able to recover from that.

It should also recover from the war in Iraq but I doubt it will happen under the administration responsible for the war that led to the negative image of the US.

There may be another four years of negative attitudes directed towards the US government.


America's rep went to hell when Hollywood became the a$$hole of liberal ideology. Out of hollywood came porn. Next came the liberal "hate" america media.

America had a reputation when it was a God fearing country that had prayer in its schools and elected presidents that didn't look into the camera and LIE about a vile sex act that happened in to Oval office. When American's didn't march on Washington and drag that garbage from "our" house we lost our right to have any moral standing for anything.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 06:47 AM
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America could easily recover its reputation by moving away from the religious right! Europe is fast becoming a secular region, a man with the same policies as Bush (anti gay/arab/abortion) was voted out of the European Comission because in Europe people like bush are labeled 'extreme'.

The rest of the world fears a 'with us or against us' rhetoric coupled with a policy of 'he looked at me funny! shoot him!' attitude.

And finally a nation that preaches freedom, openess, trust and justice builds concentration camps, actively tortures people, dismisses international conventions on prisoner treatment. And then takes smiling photos of it!

To recover its reputation the US must either:
Impolode
Explode
Apologise for Iraq, Bush, Abu Ghirab
Vote Democrat/Libertarian
Buy every media outlet in the world and tell us how great the US is
Defeat a global menace on the scale of Hitler (not terroism, its nothing new and not a threat to life as we know it!)

None of these will happen though, so the US will not regain its reputation until we live in a multi polar world of China, America, Europe and maybe India, when Europe and the US will have to join together again to keep China in check.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 06:55 AM
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When all the heads of those sawed off by the poor innocent muslim cowards are replaced and their bodies resurrected, then the US will appologize to those poor innocent terrorists in Abu Graib that were forced to eat pork and have the Israeli flag arounf thier shoulders. Oh Boohoo.

Americans left europe over 400 years ago to escape the insanity of the euro-trash. Liberalism is a mental disease.................



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 07:05 AM
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Americans left europe over 400 years ago to escape the insanity of the euro-trash


And now there cosy bedfellows.....




posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 07:05 AM
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The question had nothing to do with arab behedings, it was americas reputation in question, you havent answered any of my points of provided a single counter arguement.

Though i did admire the poetic way you mimicked my name, very, very good! Did you spend a long time thinking about it? Did your sides split from the humor?

Never mind, all you do is remind me as to why I am right about the reason for Americas poor reputation, and that while people like you exist it will have no chance of recovering.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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I saw a clip of Bush speaking after he first heard about Abu Ghirab and he sounded genuinely distressed and saddened by it all.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Trent
I saw a clip of Bush speaking after he first heard about Abu Ghirab and he sounded genuinely distressed and saddened by it all.


As disturbed and saddened as he looked when told about the WTC? To me he looked more annoyed to be interupted while reading Run Spot Run .



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 07:22 AM
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*Sigh* If George Bush senior had listened to Maggie Thacher in the first Gulf War and pushed to Bagdad and got rid of Saddam the first time around we could have avoided this.
Anyway, how anyone can hate a country because of its Government and foreign policy is beyond me. The American people are just that ... people . Why does that not sink in with some countries. If you have a problem with the US Government then thats fine, but to project that on to Joe Average is plain wrong. The US Government has made moves that have been unpopular, thats probably an understatement, and people dissagree. The thing is, right or wrong, those actions cannot be reversed. Why should the US care what other people think? I dont care what the other European Nations think about us (UK) and our support of the US in Iraq.
The more people that shout "we hate the US!" the more the US will withdraw to its self and cut its self from the rest of the World. We, and i mean we as in the World, really cant afford that. Like it or not the US is the Worlds only Super power and as such i would rather they were with us than against us.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by Uncle Joe
The question had nothing to do with arab behedings, it was americas reputation in question, you havent answered any of my points of provided a single counter arguement.

Though i did admire the poetic way you mimicked my name, very, very good! Did you spend a long time thinking about it? Did your sides split from the humor?

Never mind, all you do is remind me as to why I am right about the reason for Americas poor reputation, and that while people like you exist it will have no chance of recovering.


America's reputation among the "sane" people of the world is just fine. The insane liberals of the world can just go pound sand. They hate themselfs for being alive, they hate anything good, they feel guilty for their very existence. So America's rep is just fine with the people that actually count. The sane 63,000,000 that voted for GW.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 08:28 AM
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There are many reasons:

1. Unilaterialism: We'll do anything we want, screw the rest of the world

2. Imperialism: We must liberate the world

3. Terrorism: You're with us or you're with the enemy

3. Hypocrisy: We must get rid of WMDS; while we can keep building better ones.

4. Genocide and abuse: We are trying very hard not to kill and rape innocents civillians... oops

5. Meglomania: The American Federal Empire of Earth and space. This will be an American century.

6. Arrogance: We are the best in the world. Other countries must look up to us.

7. Double standards: We will not tolerate rogue regimes; China is our most favoured nation.

8. Double playing: We must settle the Middle east crisis peacefully... while we give Israel $3 billion in weapons aid a year. We must settle the Kashmir crisis... while we sell weapons to India and Pakistan.

9. Deceit: We are the land of the free..... protesting and dissent is terrorism. The people have the power to elect the president of their choice......of the candidates we choose.

10. Stupid people(no offence) We must give up our rights to be protected. We must support this war and our country, even if we do not agree.... because our heroes are out there!

[edit on 18-1-2005 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 08:51 AM
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Not without a complete u-turn in attitudes toward global politics and alot of apologies... and i mean A LOT!


However when a country seems to want to thrive off warfare.. it needs to keep pi**ing people off. Its called policy i believe.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:15 AM
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What make American great?

Its diversity, his good and compassionate people thank god we have more good people than narrow minded ones.

What is killing American reputation in the world?

Our hungry for money and power elite, when US goes to the gutters they don't have to worry about it because they don't keep their money in the US to begin with.

Our elected leaders that support the elite groups because most of them are part of it.

Our present president because he has taken upon itself in his power trip to be a war president, any war at any cost be US lives or abroad because he will not be accountable for his mistakes.

[edit on 18-1-2005 by marg6043]



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Corinthas
Not without a complete u-turn in attitudes toward global politics and alot of apologies... and i mean A LOT!


However when a country seems to want to thrive off warfare.. it needs to keep pi**ing people off. Its called policy i believe.


If you are a terrorist the US will kill you.

If you harbor terrorist the US will kill you.

End of story.................................

The US will not, and should not appologize for being the greatest power the planet has ever know.

The US will not, and should not appologize for having elected a president that has the ball's to stand up to the insanity of the liberal world that caused terrorisim in the first place.

Appologies and outright FEAR gave the monsters of history the power to murder millions. Hitler, Stalin, OBL, Saddam and the rest only saw weakness that granted them thier "devine" will to dominate the world.

That same fear allowed the USSR to exist for 75 years. It took strength and character to defeat the communist tyrany.

No appologies needed.....................



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:38 AM
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im just north of the border in Canada. There is only one thing i need to say and that is bush needs to go. end of story. you can argue with me all you want but since he has been in office i have heard more and more about the supposed hate of america, worldwide. there was a big mistake last election.

"The US will not, and should not appologize for being the greatest power the planet has ever know."

that's the errogance that people will not tolerate. i for one could care less that you're a super power. you probably wont be top dog forever ya know. then what?


[edit on 18-1-2005 by Tahlen]



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Tahlen
im just north of the border in Canada. There is only one thing i need to say and that is bush needs to go. end of story. you can argue with me all you want but since he has been in office i have heard more and more about the supposed hate of america, worldwide. there was a big mistake last election.


The ingnorant mind fear what it does not understand. GW is a God fearing man and the insane liberal left does not understand these qualities. The evil world understood Clinton and his humanisim, they identified with his sinful ways. The more the left "hates" him the more I believe he is a good man.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:47 AM
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i understand exactly. i know what went on during and after the 9/11 and that is basically what won the last election for bush.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:51 AM
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I hear you on that Tahlen.
But I am not sure a Kerry victory would have guaranteed much of a change in US policy. It would have changed the tone of the speeches and the manner at the top. I suppose that in itself would have been a positive thing but it doesn't amount to much.

However this thread is fast becoming a trainwreck.
The "agent provacateurs" are coming in to highjack the debate into a hate session.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:51 AM
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"If you harbor terrorist the US will kill you. "

some of the terroists slipped into the US via Canada. there is probably more cells here that we dont know about. does that mean we harbor them? if so then what would be US's action towards Canada? you gonna kill Canada?



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 09:54 AM
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I agree Reven, but still a new face is maybe what the US needs.







 
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