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A loaded firearm in the hands of a human being represents the awesome power of life and death.
originally posted by: Dragoon01
If he legitimately felt he was resisting tyranny then yes, the Dallas shooter did have justification for what he was doing.
His actions were exactly what the 2nd amendment was put into place to enable.
Honestly thats not really a question.
The difference between criminals and people revolting to resist illegal government acts is if you win or not.
Washington, Jefferson and Adams would have been Drawn and Quartered if the revolution failed.
You must decide the justification for your cause.
The amendment is in place to safeguard the ability to have that debate. If you have no arms then debating about the justification for a revolt is really not worth it.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
It has been said that one man's hero is another man's criminal. In the end it usually depends on your perspective.
Take ISIS, for example. I would assume you consider ISIS combatants as terrorists, just as I, along with a huge percentage of Western civilization, do. Yet, to someone raised among ISIS, I would expect them to be considered martyrs or even Freedom Fighters. Which view is correct? It depends on the perspective.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
For a specific and personal example ... it doesn't matter here how many times I take pains to clarify what I intended in this discussion, there are those who only wish to come in and twist what we are talkinga bout to fit their one-sided, blind agenda.
The Second Amendment is critically important in the sustenance of anything resembling our traditional way of life in this country. However, blind absolutist BELIEF on either side of the issue, unwilling to move and unable to compromise, is what will destroy the Second (and the rest of our Constitution, actually).
A very basic truth from biology pushes forward in my mind: any organism that can't adapt, dies.
The Dallas murderer was fueled by hatred towards people of other colors. He hated whites, and all Americans that wear blue.
That argument is completely different to those espoused by most Americans who believe in their right to own and bear arms.
It is fairly obvious his intention was to label Americans who believe in the second amendment as the same type of person as this murderer was, and that is a fallacious argument.
That is the sort of argument that leads governments to label anyone and everyone who disagrees with government decisions as "hateful and violent", simply because they disagree with some government decisions...
When you spoke of those you worked beside in college, what would you say was the universal characteristic they shared?
Belief never changes.
The Second Amendment is critically important in the sustenance of anything resembling our traditional way of life in this country.
To me, belief is uni-directional; that's why I often refer to it as "blind."
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Belief never changes. It can't. It either is or isn't. It only persists or it is destroyed. Just as it is impossible for some to understand that those involved with ISIS are not devils but human beings JUST LIKE US who have radically different sets of BELIEFS that bind them just as ours BIND us.
And of course, the ubiquitous NAZIS get tossed into every conversation even obliquely touching guns and gun control. We forget that yesterday's NAZIS are today's GERMANS, one of our strongest allies in NATO for decades. Same people, in come cases, literally.
Marshall Mcluhan's scale. A preacher would be on the hot (not a pun on hellfire) side of the scale while the Bible itself would be a cool medium.
That process requires intelligence and curiosity. Listening to the preacher does not. My process causes me to occasionally reshape my beliefs to some degree, as new information is gleaned. Listening to the preacher maintains a steady, stable belief system.