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Was Lord Jesus a gay person? Was He married?

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posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 05:48 AM
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Pope Francis said in the last few days that the Catholic Church must apologize and ask forgiveness from the gays for their historical mistreatment.
The question spelled a heated debate especially in conservative Catholic circles and their websites.
We all know of historical trespasses that the Catholic Church (as well as others) would do better to apologize to the humankind, for their own sake. The elaborated discussion between cardinals liberals and fundamentals is just as absurd as the carefully maintained status quo that allowed gay relations to shadowy exist inside the ranks but officially forbade them for the faithful. It is a time to say the truth of what the Church practiced since its foundation, among its selected ranks. And to stop demonizing those faithful who do the same. To ask forgiveness is good. It is a first step though.

The bigger question: was Jesus himself a gay person? We know virtually nothing of His early years , up to his 30th when He already appears as teacher and prophet and gathers quickly around himself 12 men and later 72 others. It is reasonable to ask, what did He do before that and why it was not written.

How about the Gnostic gospels, were they banned because they discussed the sexuality of Our Lord? Could Jesus have no sexuality, or being not male? The answer is obvious, however it is persistently denied by those who were entitled to answer it for the benefit of God's people.

Was Mary Magdalene Jesus' wife at the same time? Too many gospels, both recently discovered and well known "banned" ones, speak about that, to be just disregarded as forgery. One may ask what part of the books is forgery then.

What was the role of John? It is clearly said by John himself, in the canonical gospel, "the disciple whom Jesus loved". What it means when some younger man put his head on the breast of his master? Was it customary at the time of Jesus? Today it is not. Not even for dedicated gays who gather in public. Nobody does that in any church today. However, John did it, wrote it down some decades later, and that text circled the world and the ages speaking of the unusual friendship of Lord Jesus and his beloved disciple.

Then we have the example of the Church communities during the ages who preferred male celibate life. Was it so celibate after all? Or the gays popped up only in the immoral 20th century, to reap the condemnation of those who think of themselves as morally superior to the rest of human race?

How would those people, cardinals included, judge the behavior of Apostle John, that is being read quite often on Holy Mass? Something is apparently wrong. Better know what exactly Our Lord did, (and not to rely mainly on what church fathers interpreted centuries later), so we also know how we behave in our everyday relations to people who might not think as the majority faithful. John was not a statistical representative of the majority followers of Lord Jesus. Neither Mary Magdalene was. Still, Lord Jesus chose them to be an example.

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posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 06:04 AM
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I wasn't going to reply, but..Jesus surrounded himself with men because in Judea in this period of time women were considered second class citizens unable to leave the house without a direct male family member.
Why would he be gay when it's been made perfectly obvious over the last 30 years that he was, if not married, the partner of Mary and they had children.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 06:09 AM
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More likely he's an amalgamation of many different religions and folk tales.

Maybe in another 500 years they'll be teaching how Mary sent him to live with his aunt and uncle in Bell Air.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 06:13 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
More likely he's an amalgamation of many different religions and folk tales.

Maybe in another 500 years they'll be teaching how Mary sent him to live with his aunt and uncle in Bell Air.


Yeah I agree. Mithras, Egypt, they all had deities that were killed and reborn after after a week. There's a nice necklace image on google that has a pendent showing Orpheus being crucified. He died went to hell and came back 3 days later. The problem is it's over 3000 years old, it predates Christ, so to Bible fans it's not interesting.
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posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 06:18 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

was captain hook [ the peter pan villian ] left handed ????????????????

its an equally valid question that has equal evidence for or against its premise



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 06:19 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Should he actually have existed, and the whole religious docrine isn't actually based on lies to control and manipulate the ignorant masses, he would have been an ET, in the purest sense of the term, since he/it did not originate here (if Jesus is an incarnation of God)...so sexual preference would probably be more an androgynous affair, or at best, applying Human standards and classifications...Bisexual.

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posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Dropping this short vid that addresses weather the Jesus wife text is a fraud or not .."The Gospel of Jesus' Wife, interview with Dr Simon Gathercole "
There is a great piece of investigation into this story but one that addresses the person that duped a Scholar into promoting it . I will see if I can find it .

This is a link to more pieces and discussion's ntweblog.blogspot.ca...
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posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 06:36 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1

This is the piece I had read on the search for the truth behind the fragment . It reads like a mini novel and the ending is quite funny and quite sad . Karen L King has sense this piece decided that it was a fraud .

Never before had an ancient manuscript alluded to Jesus’s being married. The papyrus’s lines were incomplete, but they seemed to describe a dialogue between Jesus and the apostles over whether his “wife”—possibly Mary Magdalene—was “worthy” of discipleship. Its main point, King argued, was that “women who are wives and mothers can be Jesus’s disciples.” She thought the passage likely figured into ancient debates over whether “marriage or celibacy [was] the ideal mode of Christian life” and, ultimately, whether a person could be both sexual and holy. RELATED STORY Karen King Responds to ‘The Unbelievable Tale of Jesus’s Wife’ King called the business-card-size papyrus “The Gospel of Jesus’s Wife.” But even without that provocative title, it would have shaken the world of biblical scholarship. Centuries of Christian tradition are bound up in whether the scrap is authentic or, as a growing group of scholars contends, an outrageous modern fake: Jesus’s bachelorhood helps form the basis for priestly celibacy, and his all-male cast of apostles has long been cited to justify limits on women’s religious leadership. In the Roman Catholic Church in particular, the New Testament is seen as divine revelation handed down through a long line of men—Jesus, the 12 apostles, the Church fathers, the popes, and finally the priests who bring God’s word to the parish pews today.
www.theatlantic.com...



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 07:22 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart


Well, Jeshua certainly loves men. Pure LOVE loves everything. Jeshua is pure LOVE.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 07:26 AM
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This makes me laugh because for most either he was married or if not had to be gay! what about if he was single because he chose to be because of the nature of his work and travelling, plus the risk he took in a Roman occupied country with also a corrupt Jewish priesthood? That is possibly another simple option.

However that option is also the most unlikely because Jesus taught in the Temple where you could only teach if you were a Rabbi and Rabbi's have to be married men. So he clearly was a married man - whether the catholic church likes it or not. Its not that unfeasible that the marriage at Canaan was his own as he was dealing with the wine etc.

The trouble is that the catholic and original church fathers were fighting the gnostics when Christianity was being basically drawn up to accommodate the wants of the Roman Emperor who had his own agenda for Christianity and establishing their own authority. There was a lot of squabbling because there were so many branches of the 'new religion'. So when you add the different agendas going on and the deliberate destruction of all religious writings that covered Gnosticism or any other ideas the Church Fathers and Emperor didn't want the public having, so much of what happened has been destroyed and because of the power of dogma through the ages its hard for people to accept that Jesus was married and was possibly a gnostic to boot. A television documentary by Bettany Hughes (I think) covered how the fathers demanded the destruction from every monastery of the documents relating to the Gnostics and Jesus's teachings. They were very thorough although a few appear to have survived. We also have the business side of christianity where artefacts and documents are sold by people in israel which may be genuine or are most likely frauds - which is big business also.

Jesus always m maintained he had come to keep the law and not change it. The law and custom was that all people had to marry so had he not, its likely it would have been documented. As Women (as Andy ways) were regarded as second class citizens its not unlikely that she was not mentioned except as one of his inner circle of disciples.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
The bigger question: was Jesus himself a gay person?


No. Jesus was against all pleasure in the flesh.

His love was love of the spirit.

[QUOTE]
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. " -- KJV, John 6:63
[END QUOTE]

Jesus came to tell man of the spirit, love of the spirit, not to go bumping the flesh together. Instead, we are instructed to avoid the lusts of the flesh:

[QUOTE]
"[i]Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. " -- KJV, 2 Timothy 2:22
[END QUOTE]


That's why Priests usually try to be celibate.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 08:39 AM
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Jesus was absolutely NOT married, and he never committed any sin whatsoever and that means he was also not gay. Obviously this doesn't meet up with today's perversion of the rules, and no matter how often people try to remake Jesus into their own image, isn't ever going to make it true.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: donktheclown

We have one word called love but the Greeks had 6 . The Ancient Greeks’ 6 Words for Love (And Why Knowing Them Can Change Your Life) www.yesmagazine.org... The New Testament uses these words that can help give a distinction to what was said and what wasn't said .



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: Shiloh7

You might consider this ...

1. The rabbinic literature--which is what people sometimes use to argue that celibacy was a capital offense(!)--notes and gives rules for exceptions to rules which were themselves non-binding: "Celibacy was, in fact, not common, and was disapproved by the rabbis, who taught that a man should marry at eighteen, and that if he passed the age of twenty without taking a wife he transgressed a divine command and incurred God's displeasure. Postponement of marriage was permitted students of the Law that they might concentrate their attention on their studies, free from the cares of support a wife. Cases like that of Simeon be 'Azzai, who never married, were evidently infrequent. He had himself said that a man who did not marry was like one who shed blood, and diminished the likeness of God. One of his colleagues threw up to him that he was better at preaching that at practicing, to which he replied, What shall I do? My soul is enamored of the Law; the population of the world can be kept up by others...It is not to be imagined that pronouncements about the duty of marrying and the age at which people should marry actually regulated practice." [HI:JFCCE:2.119f] Notice that this famous Rabbi was celibate because of his devotion to the Law and to studying, following, and preaching it--a situation not unlike that of Jesus and certainly in keeping with His dictum in Matthew 19.10: His disciples said to him, “If that is the relationship of a man with his wife, it’s not worth getting married!” 11But he said to them, “Not everyone can accept this saying, except those to whom celibacy has been granted. 12For some men are celibate from birth, while others are celibate because they have been made that way by others. Still others are celibate because they have made themselves that way for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can. Notice also that Moore points out that the Rabbinic regulation were hardly binding (something we shall return to below). 2. Judaism at the time of Jesus, of course, was a "many splintered thing", with the forerunners of the rabbinics being only one sect among many, one view point (actually, multiple viewpoints!) on a spectrum of viewpoints. Accordingly, there were other groups at the time that either (a) required celibacy; or (b) allowed it. The Essenes (and the somehow-related Qumran folks) were described by Josephus, Philo, and Pliny as being celibate, but the data is inconclusive as to whether they REQUIRED it or merely ENCOURAGED it. [OT:FAI:130ff] Philo describes another Jewish sect of both men and women--the Therapeutae --who were celibate in their studies and pursuit of wisdom and the holy life (De Vita Contemplativa 68f).
christianthinktank.com...



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: 2012newstart
The bigger question: was Jesus himself a gay person?


No. Jesus was against all pleasure in the flesh.

His love was love of the spirit.


That's why Priests usually try to be celibate.





Why did He allow John to lean on His chest then, if it was only spiritual love? And that is in the canonical Gospel, without the help of the "banned books" or those recently discovered.

Who had the good use of the creation of such image of Jesus as if Jesus was never ever sexual being? Those who controlled Christianity for most part of history.

About the priests...hmm



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 11:16 AM
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Jesus was definitely married to Mary Magdalene, the TRUE Disciple Jesus loved.

Analyze the tomb scenes in the Synoptic Gospels vs the book of John and it becomes obvious that a scribe simply changed a few words.

She was at the crucifixion, the tomb, the annointer of Jesus and a priestess of Magdala.

Mary Magdalene and Jesus probably got married in secret so she didn't get killed for carrying the son of the Messiah.

But gay? I don't think so he was known to kiss her on the mouth in public.

Although you might want to look into secret Mark, a Clementine letter about Gethsemane that has Jesus spending the night with "a youth."



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
Jesus was absolutely NOT married, and he never committed any sin whatsoever and that means he was also not gay. Obviously this doesn't meet up with today's perversion of the rules, and no matter how often people try to remake Jesus into their own image, isn't ever going to make it true.


Marriage is not a sin and neither is being gay.

Just lust.

But he was here to experience humanity and if he could feel pain he could feel pleasure. He probably got morning wood and had nocturnal emissions like he had to drop a deuce and wipe.

He wasn't a god, the Bible never says he is and people change the meaning of certain phrases to make him equal to God, BUT:

" Why do you say I am good? Only God is good."

Is all the proof needed to prove it.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
More likely he's an amalgamation of many different religions and folk tales.

Maybe in another 500 years they'll be teaching how Mary sent him to live with his aunt and uncle in Bell Air.
LOL😂



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 11:37 AM
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"The bigger question: was Jesus himself a gay person"






Well, he did go to Mount Herman.



posted on Jul, 8 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: 2012newstart
The bigger question: was Jesus himself a gay person?


No. Jesus was against all pleasure in the flesh.

His love was love of the spirit.

[QUOTE]
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. " -- KJV, John 6:63
[END QUOTE]

Jesus came to tell man of the spirit, love of the spirit, not to go bumping the flesh together. Instead, we are instructed to avoid the lusts of the flesh:

[QUOTE]
"[i]Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. " -- KJV, 2 Timothy 2:22
[END QUOTE]


That's why Priests usually try to be celibate.





If everyone followed that principle, humanity would soon die out...would it not?




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