Family declares war on off-duty cop in road rage shooting

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Same question to you....

Do I have the right to protect myself from a beat down by cop?

originally posted by: FaunaOrFlora
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Same question to you....

Do I have the right to protect myself from a beat down by cop?

Are you doing something illegal?

Are you attacking a cop?

Are you refusing to comply to a cops request?

Is your behavior innocent?

a reply to: Boadicea ugh... this is a necessary topic, thank OP, I feel that the ones in power should just start pee testing LEO's...although not many ere too thuggish... sorry if I am off topic, my English is poor.

a reply to: Annee

I absolutely blame the dead guy in this incident.

Blaming the victim. How very cowardly. So easy to blame the one who cannot even speak up for themself.

"Right to Life"? Seriously?

Not just yes, but HELL YES!!!

The officer is not above the law. He IS the law.

No, he is not. At all. But you have already revealed your oh-so-arrogant authoritarianism, so I'm not surprised you would believe this.

And he was being attacked. Guess you don't support his "Right to Life".

Of course I do. But he's not dead. He has every right and opportunity to provide an affirmative defense in a court of law before a jury of his peers.

a reply to: Annee

I'll post your typical response. .....

You are off topic.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Annee

I absolutely blame the dead guy in this incident.

Blaming the victim. How very cowardly. So easy to blame the one who cannot even speak up for themself.

"Right to Life"? Seriously?

Not just yes, but HELL YES!!!

The officer is not above the law. He IS the law.

No, he is not. At all. But you have already revealed your oh-so-arrogant authoritarianism, so I'm not surprised you would believe this.

And he was being attacked. Guess you don't support his "Right to Life".

Of course I do. But he's not dead. He has every right and opportunity to provide an affirmative defense in a court of law before a jury of his peers.

I'm not even going to respond to your ridiculousness.

a reply to: Boadicea

"He has every right and opportunity to provide an affirmative defense in a court of law before a jury of his peers." Well, according to the article, a high ranking officer considers it justifiable, so this may not even happen.

originally posted by: Autorico
I have a slightly off topic question: Are all officers approved for conceal carry? I'm just curious because he was off duty and had a gun.

Apparently so:

The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons—the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer"—to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of state or local laws, with certain exceptions.

Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act

Yea... mob violence... I am sure that has never attacked the wrong person at all in the history of bad things that have happened...

Anyone that supports that after a guy attacked a cop sitting at a light needs to see a shrink..

Guess what someone starts wailing on me through my window and I am carrying you betcha I shoot them till they stop moving... because at that point the person in the car's life is in danger, they dont know if their attacker is armed, crazy, on drugs... all they know is they are being pummeled which means they have the right to use lethal force to protect themselves.

The fact he is a cop means zero in this case... he's not the one that shot a guy after asking him to get his id... he was getting pummeled at a stop light.

FFS... there are a lot of police brutality cases to get angry about, this is not one... unless there is a story to it that hasnt been linked here yet.

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: Boadicea

You guys are incredulous. Did ANYBODY here read the story?

A guy with 19 prior arrests that served THREE terms in prison for robbery, drug sale, and stabbing gets pissed when he thinks some guy cut him off. He chases the car around for several blocks and at a stop light, gets out of the car and starts throwing haymakers through the window at an off duty 3 year cop. The cop shot him.

Eye-witness and surveillance footage corroborates this.

Motorist punches cop before getting shot.

NYPD to Probe Off Duty Cop Involved In Road Rage Shooting

They are buying into the mainstream medias anti-cop thugs are saints agenda.


iTruthSeeker

While I do agree that the police are out of control, and vigilante justice should be brought down on them when they're in the wrong and cleared for it (and they have been, many times)... I'd have shot that punk too.

If the story is accurate and this guy chased down and started beating the crap out of another driver, he deserved what he got. I'm not generally going to defend the actions of the police- but it sounds like this guy was legitimately just defending himself, as anyone else in his situation would.

a reply to: 191stMIDET

According to the people who made this country (founding fathers) it is not just the right of the family to seak vengeance but there duty. Sic Semper Tyrannis. If a cop killed a family member out of anger and skated on punishment well, then that would be a very dead cop. This country is about US! You and me, not bureaucracy, not tyranny, but Liberty and it's OUR duty to take back OUR government if that Government stops doing it's job and well, . . . . . That is EXACTLY what is happening. We should March to Washington and remind TPTB that we are the 99% and it is about what WE the people want and that is Justice, Safety and Liberty.

That's the truth, and bears repeating.

I want to believe that we can and will do so using due process and legal principles. But, to paraphrase, when justice by peaceful means becomes impossible, then justice by violent means becomes inevitable.

The few bad apples spoil the bunch, everyone knows that. Its time fellow LEOs make a stand instead of protecting their job.

Remember Michael Brown? A cop in Ferguson killed him and got off. There was a riot and it was suppressed by a military style invasion of that town. Go ahead and start a war, its what they are waiting for.

a reply to: Boadicea

- costs money

- costs money

- live stream body/dash cams can be, and would be, a massive privacy invasion for victims of crime. You have absolutely zero right to see the initial response to a child rape call. Sorry, but them's the breaks.

- costs money, but shouldn't be limited to just steroids, and shouldn't be left to a supervisor's discretion. Period.

- officer's aren't supposed to be kept at the scene any longer than necessary already

- no. You can get your gore porn at a later time. The investigators, whomever they are, get first dibs on statements and evidence and interviews and statements.

- do you get suspended without pay at your job on the chance that you may have done something wrong? Thought not. You can take their pay when they've actually done something to merit punitive action. Even the military doesn't take your pay just because you MIGHT have done something.

- the notion that agencies hire borderline cretins is a myth. Police officers come in at a slightly above average intelligence IQ score of 104. So...the average police officer already has an intelligence level slightly higher than the average. abcnews.go.com...

- costs money

a reply to: Boadicea

Blame the dead guy all you want.

damn right, if he's stupid enough to lean into a car and start punching, without knowing if someone in that car has a gun, cop or not he got what was coming to him.

cops aren't the only ones in new york that carry a gun.

a reply to: MarkOfTheV

First, this is exactly the right situation to use, because this is the reality in that situation. If this guy is as bad as you think he is, I'm pretty sure the niece knows that even better... and if she feels this way in this situation, you can bet that others who know their dead loved one was a non-violent and law abiding person will ALSO feel this way. We ignore it at our own peril.

Further, perception is everything. If this is how folks feel, this is how they feel. Just telling them to STFU only reinforces their perception of wrongdoing. Transparency and due process go a long way in earning public trust. If what you say is true (and reports of a second video say it is true), then put out the evidence for public viewing and let the chips fall where they may. If the cop has nothing to hide, then don't hide anything.

If the police are not willing to do what's necessary to prove this killing was justified, then they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. If they are not willing to equip LEOs with dash/body cams to back up what they do (and don't do) in OUR name, then they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. If LE is not willing to do anything and everything possible to protect the lives of the people, then they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

A return to blood feuds...

This is really how far we've come America? Really?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

A return to blood feuds...

This is really how far we've come America? Really?

Worked in Bartertown.

a reply to: Boadicea

The problem with the police. Is that they act and behave like a very large gang when things go south.
They lawyer up and the police union gets behind the bad cop.
And if one cop bad mouths another they all turn on that cop.

We as people must be able to say. We don't want this police officer working in our communities.

Until we have that power we won't have any power.

I cannot pretend to know exactly why but IMO, this whole thing with the cops and the shootings and beatings and "brutality" seems like a manufactured "crisis" to me. Obviously I can't prove it. It's just a gut feeling. It feels forced and the media is being FAR too cooperative for this to be natural.

I've learned one thing about the media over the years. Whenever the media stays on a specific topic over a period of time, they're up to no good. And they're probably not working alone.

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

I understand just fine. I'm talking about police protocol, due process and basic principles of justice in ALL... you keep talking about this person and this case. It's bigger than that.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt

I actually offered and requested ways to keep LEOs and everyone safer so that no has to feel like every cop is a death sentence, and no cop has to feel like everyone he meets is his death sentence; do you have any suggestions? Or do you just want to keep beating up on a dead guy?