Muslims - there are good ones AND bad ones - Deal with it!

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Raggedyman

195,000,000+ killed by the cult of religionism.

God works in mysterious ways alright.

More than 600.000.000 killed by the cult of patriotism. What's your point by the way?

Ask raggedyman. He seems to feel the need to spam his "over 100,000,000 killed by athiests" line in threads where it's completely irrelevant.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFart

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Raggedyman

195,000,000+ killed by the cult of religionism.

God works in mysterious ways alright.

More than 600.000.000 killed by the cult of patriotism. What's your point by the way?

Ask raggedyman. He seems to feel the need to spam his "over 100,000,000 killed by athiests" line in threads where it's completely irrelevant.

Ah yes, great, that very mature debate "Who's the worse? Stupid religious people? Stupid atheists?"


You know what, I checked his post and it was in response to this gem:

All religions have been used to justify killings, maiming and torture. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize religion is the catalyst that corrupts and brain washes the mind, the soul, and creates conflicts and wars around the world.

I don't feel concerned by this idiotic and overly-polarized worldview, but I have to admit that the above quote was particularly uninformed, generalizing, divisive, and exactly the kind of behavior denounced in the OP.


Why can't everyone realize that the problems is with all ideologies when they are used to antagonize, ideologies of which religions are only a subset?

a reply to:SpaceGoatFart

Why can't everyone realize that the problems is with all ideologies when they are used to antagonize, ideologies of which religions are only a subset?

Completely agree. It only ever comes down to "bad people kill other people". Race, country, religion and ideology is just an excuse to justify the killing, in my opinion.

Let's play a game. Fill in the blank


All ______ have been used to justify killings, maiming and torture. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize _____ is the catalyst that corrupts and brain washes the mind, the soul, and creates conflicts and wars around the world.


All forms of government have been used to justify killings, maiming and torture. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize government is the catalyst that corrupts and brain washes the mind, the soul, and creates conflicts and wars around the world.

All social ideologies have been used to justify killings, maiming and torture. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize ideology is the catalyst that corrupts and brain washes the mind, the soul, and creates conflicts and wars around the world.

All vendettas and private feud have been used to justify killings, maiming and torture. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize feud is the catalyst that corrupts and brain washes the mind, the soul, and creates conflicts and wars around the world.

All judicial systems have been used to justify killings, maiming and torture. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize judiciary is the catalyst that corrupts and brain washes the mind, the soul, and creates conflicts and wars around the world.


And let's not forget the most important:

All opinions have been used to justify killings, maiming and torture. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize opinion is the catalyst that corrupts and brain washes the mind, the soul, and creates conflicts and wars around the world.

a reply to: SpaceGoatFart

You know what all of those things have in common? The lowest common denominator - Man.

It doesn't matter if it's government, religion, opinion or whatever reasons. It ALWAYS comes down to a person justifying the action to kill others.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: SpaceGoatFart
You know what all of those things have in common? The lowest common denominator - Man.

I can only agree with you wholeheartedly

All nationalities, cultures, countries and religious communities from any part of the world have members, followers and citizens who are decent and others who are not! By saying this you are only drawing negative attention to muslims and inviting critism. This is entirely pointless. Its mankind on the whole that has good and bad people. Terrorists are evil, irrelevant of their background, place of birth or religious beliefs! Mankind needs to come together and push out this cancer rather than drawing attention to one set of people.

originally posted by: demondonna
All nationalities, cultures, countries and religious communities from any part of the world have members, followers and citizens who are decent and others who are not! By saying this you are only drawing negative attention to muslims and inviting critism. This is entirely pointless. Its mankind on the whole that has good and bad people. Terrorists are evil, irrelevant of their background, place of birth or religious beliefs! Mankind needs to come together and push out this cancer rather than drawing attention to one set of people.

It needs to be realized that the polarizing climate that is taking place in the US or the Middle East for examples is one of the prime causes of all the current violence.

It can only cause more division and frustration, and the more we estrange ourselves from another group of people, the more hostility it will create between us and them.


I know it's not a very popular opinion around here, but building walls, criminalizing entire populations, ostracizing, condemning by ignorance, basically everything that the modern populist leaders like Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Farage, or even Ken Ham and Terrorist Mollahs are propagating, this will never be the answer unless your plan is to eventually commit a genocide and destroy an entire population.


We have no choice but to communicate, to understand, to compromise with those we consider our ennemies. If we don't, we have to be ready to destroy them all or to be destroyed.
And I'm not sure Americans really realize what it means to go at war with all Muslims, all socialists or all immigrants. They think its all a game and that their army will protect them all the time.

Well I'm telling them: take care, you are playing with fire.

The OP makes it so open and shut which it isn't, there's so much to factor in such as territorial disputes, incorrect teachings, low IQ brainwashing and a myriad of other stuff. The problem we have is that Muslims are now being radicalised at a faster rate, devotion to rules are not only forced but forced with violence. There's also a much larger radicalisation of young people spread over a vast area and not mostly in the Middle East as previously.

Even the normal peaceful Muslims are now having pressure applied on them to choose sides while Muslims turn on themselves internally.

Good and bad just is too simple an analogy these days, just look at Medina, a bomb attack on the Prophet Mohammed's Mosque and resting place, a place seen as spiritually important to Muslims yet unless details have changes its almost certainly been bombed by IS, a Muslim hardline group.

That is what makes all this so difficult to sort through, yes there are very nice decent morally good Muslims but what lies beyond is a very very complicated road, and lets not forget that in the religious fraternity its pretty unheard of religions THESE DAYS to demand blanket deaths of people, while in the troubled world of Islam and its many off shoots that are not removed by the religion itself its pretty common place for a Cleric etc to demand acts of depravity on a daily basis.

So no, its no where near as simple as just good and bad, the one thing we need to hope for is that the good stay good and they also police the vile folk who do in the name of the religion.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to:SpaceGoatFart

Why can't everyone realize that the problems is with all ideologies when they are used to antagonize, ideologies of which religions are only a subset?

Completely agree. It only ever comes down to "bad people kill other people". Race, country, religion and ideology is just an excuse to justify the killing, in my opinion.

It's more than that TD and you know it, you use it in your own posts

It's divisive people with an agenda using hate to channel their frustration and others frustration at their perceived enemy, it's also denying your own faults, personal or collective

All I hear from atheists is "Religion is evil but, atheism is good, I am better than that person because my beliefs are moderate"
You act just like the religious you condemn, I am better than you becomes the atheist mantra.

It's funny how you can see goatfart is true in his summary yet still can't seem to accept the fact that atheism has caused as many, varied, violent issues as religion. That atheism can and does get hijacked by individuals with an agenda that suits their own ideals

You will do well one day when you look at people as individuals

For the record I hate religion, even the one I choose, I see man kinds faults applied to it everyday
I also hate ideologies like atheism and its proponents who use it to preach their messages of division

I don't believe for one second that you could find middle ground

People keep repeating that "not all" are this way. I agree that not all of them are our enemies, but the overwhelming majority are. I challenge you to ask some of these so-called moderates if they believe that the suicide bombings were justified. Ask them to condemn the suicide bombings. Their answers may surprise you.

If their deafening silence is not enough, just look at their actions. Look at all of the rape and violence that they bring to countries that they pour into. Look at what they do to countries when they become the majority.

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Islam is totally incompatible with our societies. It is a religion of conquest created by a murderous pedophile.

originally posted by: WalrusRider
I challenge you to ask some of these so-called moderates if they believe that the suicide bombings were justified. Ask them to condemn the suicide bombings. Their answers may surprise you.

Did you miss the part where someone in the thread did and the answer might surprise YOU?


You are a walking stereotypes and bad generalizations shouting box. You are too ignorant about islam to form a proper opinion about it.

Keep regurgitating your Fox News lunch.

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The silent majority remain silent
The radicals kill while the silent do nothing

Its about time the good ones done something about the bad ones