Brexit vote was a tie, Britain will never leave EU - academic.

Plenty here for one to chew on with this conundrum that frankly, should be in everyone's heads, but no one is talking about it.
My opinion is that we were never legally in the EU/EEC anyway, however that only complicates things more.

'The EU referendum result was actually a draw and a Brexit should not be implemented because there would be “no country left” afterwards, an expert on European and UK constitutional law says.'
'Dr Jo Murkens of the London School of Economics says the referendum result was split across the UK, with Scotland and Northern Ireland voting clearly to remain in the EU and voters in England and Wales opting to leave.
'He says Brexit could therefore be avoided with willing leadership, saying he could see “no way” any prime minister would go through with it.'

www.rt.com...

Well isn't that typical of an "economist"?

The result was a Leave vote, but massage the figures a bit, frame the results broken down by area and, hey presto, it was a draw!

Next thing you know, he'll be saying he and his economic experts are right about the global economy being hunky dory too!

a reply to: smurfy

Endless spin and fear mongering after the fact.

Going forward, no election in the UK will matter.

Your side lost by 1.5 million votes? No problem, lets have another vote!

Some "economist". Every nation in the EU is about to collapse but it would be bad if England left this cesspool known as the EU...

*facepalm*

European debt crisis: It's not just Greece that's drowning in debt.

People, socialism does not work. Its just a matter of time until these types of systems collapse.

a reply to: smurfy

The EU crises wth debt and refugees drains UK resources, of course they want out. The people that is.

If one of two people want something, better give it to them.

a reply to: smurfy

it's called the United Kingdom. including all you mentioned above.
the vote was 51.89% to leave, 48.11% to stay, with a 72% turnout.

nothing more to say,

originally posted by: Britguy
Well isn't that typical of an "economist"?

Yup.

The more singular the market, the more stable the economy. I know, I know, people don't like that. But, turn the entire world into a single open market, and you aren't going to see many of the problems we currently face. Most of them are derivatives from the competition between the separate markets.

Like most things though, a singular market looks great on paper, but would be extremely difficult to achieve in reality...which is why smart economists stay out of political and sociological debates.

originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: Britguy
Well isn't that typical of an "economist"?

Yup.

The more singular the market, the more stable the economy. I know, I know, people don't like that. But, turn the entire world into a single open market, and you aren't going to see many of the problems we currently face. Most of them are derivatives from the competition between the separate markets.

Like most things though, a singular market looks great on paper, but would be extremely difficult to achieve in reality...which is why smart economists stay out of political and sociological debates.

The problem with a one world market with freedom of movement is that everyone tries to move to those parts of the world with the highest salaries and highest cost of living. London and the South of England have the highest cost of living in the world never mind Europe. Already there is a housing shortage of 250,000 homes. That's doubled in 20 years.

Then motorists and truck drivers who come back into the UK with illegal immigrants who have sneaked into the vehicle, run the risk of £10,000 fines. They are furious. Councils are fighting a losing battle with residents turning their outhouses and back Lane garages into residential property.

YAWN!
2nd YAWN !

a reply to: smurfy

Collective democracy. The UK voted out, regardless of the fact that in my local pub the majority voted to remain.

People need to grasp this fact rather than trying to get a different result.

People like this are destructive to society. They should be ignored and not given the time or day.

originally posted by: stormcell
The problem with a one world market with freedom of movement is that everyone tries to move to those parts of the world with the highest salaries and highest cost of living. London and the South of England have the highest cost of living in the world never mind Europe. Already there is a housing shortage of 250,000 homes. That's doubled in 20 years.

Your example is a result of what happens between competitive markets. People congregate where they get the highest economic benefit. Switch to one singular market, and there is no longer a draw to London, the 4th most expensive, btw. The economic draw is eliminated from the equation. Guess what has actually been observed when persons are given a chance to move, with no economic gain or loss in the equation? They move to where their families, their personal interests, and the climate they enjoy best are.

In a singular market, you would most likely see a drastic reduction in the numbers of people moving to London. Same with every major metropolitan area. You would be far more likely to see a fairly even distribution of persons across most arable areas.

Then motorists and truck drivers who come back into the UK with illegal immigrants who have sneaked into the vehicle, run the risk of £10,000 fines. They are furious. Councils are fighting a losing battle with residents turning their outhouses and back Lane garages into residential property.

There is no such thing as illegal immigrants in a singular economy.

a reply to: smurfy

Drivel
2nd

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: smurfy

Collective democracy. The UK voted out, regardless of the fact that in my local pub the majority voted to remain.

People need to grasp this fact rather than trying to get a different result.

Strangely enough there were the same disagreements when Scotland voted to remain part of the UK. Younger voters wanted to leave. Older voted to remain in order to preserve their pensions. Then it was argued that people with more life experience had more wisdom than the younger ones.

originally posted by: Ohanka
People like this are destructive to society. They should be ignored and not given the time or day.

Are you afraid of something?
Look, I posted this not as a debate about in or out, it's about what to do now that the big players in the referendum have gone..in effect there is no government, one party leader has resigned...nearly, one party leader has been, 'nicely' asked to resign, but he won't, while both of them were campaigners in the remain camp. So, it's time to soak things up.
The only one that's enjoying his pint is Farage, yet he is the one among politicians that verbally, and in advance of the referendum, would have wanted a new referendum had the result been...in his words, 48% leave and 52% remain...he's not saying that now though, is he?
Not very sporting

So, let's get to the end game, who is going to invoke artlcle 50? Only the elected Sovereign parliament can do that, while a great majority of elected MP's were/are for remaining in the EU, that is/was their ethos. So, what are they going to do? it's a house of commons vote, nothing else. Only answer, an election, mass resignations of MP's or a sudden change from eating Frankfurters to British bangers.
How important is the single market to Britain? it seems all important from what I hear, but not achievable without the freedom of movement ethos in the single market. Only answer, apparent stalemate/not up for debate.
Britain is a net importer, that includes petroleum, so basically we are a service based economy, while industry takes second place, albeit currently industrial output being of a good quality, however many of those goods being from foreign companies based in Britain, and subject to the services like banks, some of which are also foreign, any of which could pull the plug at any time if the pound became unfavourable...it's already showing poorly against the US dollar, the US probably being a major player in the formation of the EU in the first place going back a lifetime and a bit.
Answer? well IMHO, any shaking of hands, or high fives or all that stuff, for whatever reason, means absolute Zilch.
There are no winners or losers, the world in general is becoming a place for everybody on the same level despite those with elitist tendency, despite all governments warfaring, terrorist inspired warfaring that nobody really has a clue about, except that it is about some kind of transitional power.
Thing is politicians themselves are open to everything, closed to nothing, even murder, regardless if any constitution allows that or not. That's only because we allow it.

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: smurfy

Endless spin and fear mongering after the fact.

Going forward, no election in the UK will matter.

Your side lost by 1.5 million votes? No problem, lets have another vote!

Some "economist". Every nation in the EU is about to collapse but it would be bad if England left this cesspool known as the EU...

*facepalm*

European debt crisis: It's not just Greece that's drowning in debt.

People, socialism does not work. Its just a matter of time until these types of systems collapse.

Yep , looks as if the Brexit vote will come down the same as the US "gun control" . Lets keep voting until the results change.

a reply to: smurfy

Free people can always vote away their freedom.

People under authoritarian rule can never vote for more freedom.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: smurfy

Free people can always vote away their freedom.

People under authoritarian rule can never vote for more freedom.

And what do you mean exactly?

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: smurfy

Collective democracy. The UK voted out, regardless of the fact that in my local pub the majority voted to remain.

People need to grasp this fact rather than trying to get a different result.

It's not relevant the point of my thread is about what the British government is going to do? Answer?

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: smurfy

Free people can always vote away their freedom.

People under authoritarian rule can never vote for more freedom.

And what do you mean exactly?

I thought it was simple. Apologies.

People with freedom always will have the option to vote away their freedoms, more rules, more regulations, more laws. they can always vote for leaders that embrace authoritarian rule.

Once under that authoritarian rule, it is almost impossible to go back. take the EU. Did you know that just a few days after the Brexit vote, the EU determined that many brands of toasters and tea kettles were "energy unfriendly" and banned them from the EU? That's draconian, in my opinion.

This is why I think the UK did the right thing. It may have been their last chance.

a reply to: Gothmog

Lets keep voting until the results change.

The Remain lot's talking up of a second referendum is understandable, because that's what the EU does if people inconveniently disagree.

That's what happened in Ireland over the ratification of the Lisbon treaty.