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originally posted by: breakingbs
Yep. I'm gettin ready to cry here.
That's why I deleted my post. Not-
I agree with op. Want to go other plcs ok by.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Raggedyman
What a clever trap!
If I try to converse with you on this, I look like I'm a lush trying to justify excess drinking. If I don't, you get to have the last word.
IMO alcohol is like sex and money. It isn't wrong in and of itself, but it can go very, very wrong when used careflessly, so it ought to be handled with care and respect for what it is.
Now shall we get back on topic?
originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Raggedyman
I think it is when a true believer, knows the Triune God, denies the working of the Spirit for personnel glory
Uses their own knowledge of God for self gain, effectively using God to serve themselves, deliberately
I thought that sounded rather specific. Simony is what it's called, from Simon, who probably enjoyed being called "The Great Power" Acts 8:9-24. He got baptized, followed the disciple around, saw the Holy Spirit imparted through laying on of hands, then offered to pay the disciple for the ability.
20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”
No, I was wrong. What you describe isn't the same as Simony. There are similarities though.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: chr0naut
I do agree with you that taking the Lord'said name in vain has nothing to do with vocabulary, but it's about ambassadors hip, however that can't be the unpardonable sin.
Nobody could be saved, nobody is perfect. Even after conversion. Example, Peter received the Holy Ghost in John chapter 10, but denied Christ to 3 people the night of Jesus' arrest.
All the NT epistles exhorting believers to press on to maturity would be irrelevant. See? I think it's simple, seeing the Holy Spirit work and doing things only God can do and attributing it to demons.