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The sin against the Holy Ghost?

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posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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This was coincidentally the topic of my very first Bible study which set the tone for the rest of my quest.

I have never had a problem understanding this passage either. It's really very simple. No need to quote people or get legalistic and try and reassign a false meaning for the sake of comfort.

Just don't think that something done buy the Holy Spirit is the work of the Evil One.

It's literally no more complicated than that.




posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 12:24 AM
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nm.
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posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 12:39 AM
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a reply to: breakingbs



Dude just let it out. You don't have to be sensitive if you feel you are being honest.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 12:46 AM
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Yep. I'm gettin ready to cry here.


That's why I deleted my post. Not-







I agree with op. Want to go other plcs, k, by.
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posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 12:50 AM
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Really the whole Christ aparition for the want of a way of naming it, is about wisdom and faith in that wisdom. Faith in what happened and why it happened. Once in faith, other beliefs are disolved and not much can be explained logicaly to the faithless.anda reply to: DISRAELI



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: breakingbs
Yep. I'm gettin ready to cry here.


That's why I deleted my post. Not-







I agree with op. Want to go other plcs ok by.


You should say what you know you want to. You keep implying that you have something relevant to say but you don't say it.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: Wombocracy

I never implied things. You're projecting. I know you can read things into deleted posts but hey it's a deleted post, see ya round.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Raggedyman

What a clever trap!

If I try to converse with you on this, I look like I'm a lush trying to justify excess drinking. If I don't, you get to have the last word.

IMO alcohol is like sex and money. It isn't wrong in and of itself, but it can go very, very wrong when used careflessly, so it ought to be handled with care and respect for what it is.

Now shall we get back on topic?


Clever trap?
"I know" was an indication that I have a tendency to have a few more than necessary on occasions, I was a lush and I justified it with some scripture
No trap, just making sure that if people read this they don't use scripture to justify drinking, maybe one or two, just telling people to be careful

In no way, please don't think I was baiting or assuming anything, have a log in my eye, better go sought it out
Enjoy



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: Wombocracy

By the way, I'm one for whom the sensitivity talk doesn't reach, and sometimes I gotta jet-don't know why dont want to talk about why, dont want that to turn you into an enemy cause it's not worth the time.






Peace.
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posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: Raggedyman



I think it is when a true believer, knows the Triune God, denies the working of the Spirit for personnel glory
Uses their own knowledge of God for self gain, effectively using God to serve themselves, deliberately

I thought that sounded rather specific. Simony is what it's called, from Simon, who probably enjoyed being called "The Great Power" Acts 8:9-24. He got baptized, followed the disciple around, saw the Holy Spirit imparted through laying on of hands, then offered to pay the disciple for the ability.

20Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”


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No, I was wrong. What you describe isn't the same as Simony. There are similarities though.


Sounds close enough to what I was thinking
Maybe it is best described as Simony
It's a good idea not to be Simony according to the scripture you quoted

Cheers



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 01:40 AM
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a reply to: breakingbs


Be easy then. How worth your time was saying that?

You could not possibly ever become my enemy.
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posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Im starting to think you're actually in seminary my friend, are these threads your project? Just wondering...

SO unbelief is the unforgivable sin... it would comply with many of HIS messages...

Those who don't believe are condemned already...

Yet i tend to "believe" at the death of the body, there are no "unbelievers"... or very few at least. Im sure there are some that still refuse after the obvious has happened

Personally, i have my own theory on said "unforgivable sin"

Blasphemy...more then you might think?

Good thread though... as always




posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 01:49 AM
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a reply to: Akragon

I checked it out. Good to see someone else who gets the specific (and not complex) concept of the unpardonable sin.

Holy Spirit is Most High as Father is above Jesus the Christ. (I am not a Jesus is God person but I hold his legacy sacred and receive him as Holy).

But the Holy Spirit has more attributes and power than either the Father or the Son.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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I want to point out also that the historical Simon Magus was repentant for his sin in Acts.

And a disciple of John the Baptizer and successor.

And not evil, a friend of Jesus and who carried his cross.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 02:07 AM
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But the Holy Spirit has more attributes and power than either the Father or the Son.


Where did you get this idea?

There has always been a "problem" with the holy spirit...

do tell...




posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: Wombocracy

Well come on, person you




You knew I had to address that, because now people are going to be bothering me with "oooh is it worth your tiiiiime" when I say I've gotta jet on a message board. Come on.

It's one of the deadly sins



Actually no it's not, but everything else, ROCK ON



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

I do agree with you that taking the Lord'said name in vain has nothing to do with vocabulary, but it's about ambassadors hip, however that can't be the unpardonable sin.

Nobody could be saved, nobody is perfect. Even after conversion. Example, Peter received the Holy Ghost in John chapter 10, but denied Christ to 3 people the night of Jesus' arrest.

All the NT epistles exhorting believers to press on to maturity would be irrelevant. See? I think it's simple, seeing the Holy Spirit work and doing things only God can do and attributing it to demons.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 02:39 AM
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a reply to: breakingbs


I'm not sure what you mean but if you are thinking Simon Magus blasphemed you are wrong.

He did incorrectly seek by paying but he did not accuse the Holy Spirit of Evil (blaspheme the Spirit).

He immediately sought repentance though.


He was a disciple, being with John. He is the only male disciple to witness the crucifixion so he didn't run away and actually carried Jesus' cross.

There is deep meaning to that, and deep meaning to Simon of Cyrene. He essentially took one for the team is how I would put it.



posted on Jul, 2 2016 @ 02:41 AM
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originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: chr0naut

I do agree with you that taking the Lord'said name in vain has nothing to do with vocabulary, but it's about ambassadors hip, however that can't be the unpardonable sin.

Nobody could be saved, nobody is perfect. Even after conversion. Example, Peter received the Holy Ghost in John chapter 10, but denied Christ to 3 people the night of Jesus' arrest.

All the NT epistles exhorting believers to press on to maturity would be irrelevant. See? I think it's simple, seeing the Holy Spirit work and doing things only God can do and attributing it to demons.



That's kinda what I had in mind before I deleted it. I guess it's laziness, but I don't know if I was ready for 56 "so you justify drinking" conversations



You put it pretty well and so did the op, and I didn't see anything in the op that lacks clarity or justifies non Christian belief, for what it is. I would say everything else is a matter of personal sin. Doesn't mean justification for people going too far.



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