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High IQ members and the nature of intelligence

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posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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I've heard that too. "I have become Death, the destroyer of worlds". I doubt it was the highlight of his career.

IMHO IQ and intellect don't relate. I know people who can breeze through an IQ test but don't know much about anything. I know others who would be deemed to have low IQs, but have excellent mathematical and scientific abilities.

I've got "above average" IQ, but I haven't gone to college and I don't have a degree. Despite that, I excel in my chosen field, often understanding more about the work I do in my "day job" than those who went and studied it for 3 or more years and would be deemed "more intelligent". It doesn't exactly make me want to rush out and study for 3 years, to end up right where I started. That could sound naive, but experience has shown me otherwise.

[edit on 12-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]




posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 08:20 PM
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oh definitely. but as far as i can see, genius is a collaboration of many qualities, one of the m not being IQ. they go together like Peanut butter and jelly, but you CAN have one without the other. in my eyes, IQ is like the jelly and the peanut butter is genius. having the numbers aren't as important as understanding. IQ is a very tricky thing. having a high one is cool, but if you don't use your brainpower, it's just a number. intelligence is just a state of mind. and to have intelligence you need to use your brain. if you have too little brain to spare, you burn like a lit match being extinguished by an olympic-sized swimming pool full of water.



posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 08:33 PM
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That could sound naive, but experience has shown me otherwise.

[edit on 12-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]



and you're not naive. college degrees are a load of nonsense. it's like fashion. it helps to have fashionable clothes but the system itself is totally unnecessary. it's all about society's opinion. if society didn't look down on people who didn't go to college, there would be no college applicants and thus the economy would fall rapidly (it costs approx. 40,000 a year to go to college. multiply that by the amount of students not going to college and four years of this and you've got yourself a nice little, as President Bush might call it, quagmire.) Collegiate practices are only another keystone to economics. you could be a genius and people won't accept you unless you receive a piece of paper that says, "_________ has officially had his/her brain sucked out and replaced by useless memorized facts by Harvard (or Princeton or Yale or UCLA...)" they think you're a deadbeat. that's all they do in high school. and grade school. teach us useless nonsense. it's supposedly not the content of the lesson at all, but the principles it teaches. i feel that it has nothing to do with it at all. i could learn with a book. i don't need some government-appointed ninny trying to explain a mathematic procedure he doesn't himself understand.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 04:01 PM
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high iq and low life jobs because of poor education
and cannot spell like da vinci and einstein because you think in image not in words
search and suprise



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Here are some of the mental special abilities:

1. Photographic memory
2. Speed reading
3. complex mental Arithmetic
4. The ability to rotate objects, maps, landscapes in the minds eye, or even being able to visualize the structure of DNA.
5. Rapid thinking. E.g. Coping in a real-time debate or war
6. Ability to plan far ahead. E.g. Chess
7. Concentration power

If there are more, please feel free to mention them.


I've got 2-7. My memory is highly selective. Numbers seem to stick for years. I still remember my the phone number at the house when I was 7 ( which I never used ) .

I agree with what most everyone says. Society tends not to be prepared for people with high IQ. I was so disgusted with school that I got my GED. Went to college a year early. Got bored there. Left. And now I just live a frugal life.

My parents provide the cash as they run companies. I figure if they prefer to be workaholics instead of tending to parenting, I can leech off them.

Also, I'm highly sensitive and it's nearly impossible for me to interact with people on a regular basis.

I have a bazillion personalities, and am never emotionally sound for more than an hour. I tend to be highly empathic, but have to shut it off at times when there's too many energies around.

I guess I'm a genius in that if there isn't a reason for doing something, I most definately won't. I do what I must, for sure. When I'm in this state, everything becomes effortless. My mind becomes integrated and the focus is immense. My body seems to be weightless, and I gain all the energy needed to complete whatever must be done.

I don't care about getting rich (probably linked somewhat in that my parents sort of are) .

Some days I'm so depressed that I do nothing at all. Others, I am moving a million miles an hour and will get by on an hour or two of sleep.

I guess if I had to sum it up, the main feature about me is that there is no pattern that I follow. I seem to develop habits, and then they're just gone.

[edit on 17-1-2005 by Indigo_Child]

[edit on 18-12-2008 by unityemissions]

[edit on 18-12-2008 by unityemissions]



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 07:31 PM
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I have a high IQ. A high IQ is really just a measure on how fast you learn and what patterns you are able to see in things.

So my abilities are that I'm a very fast learner. I always learn and see things that other people don't. I also see patterns in things that other people don't, and from seeing these patterns I'm somewhat able to generally see what the next part of the pattern will be.

I could read and spell at the age of 2. I couldn't write because I couldn't hold a pencil, but I could spell words with my spelling blocks. My mom said I would freak people out being able to do it at such a young age.

I started school a year early, and they wanted me to skip grades everywhere I went, but my mom wouldn't let them(thankfully, being 1 year younger was rough enough as it was).

I'm a self taught programmer for example, it just comes natural to me.

Being smart in general has it's rewards and downside as well. It's extremely frustrating trying to show people things they just simply can't put together. It sucks having to watch people do dumb things, and think dumb things.

Oh, I have crappy memory too. I have to live by the motto of - you don't need a good memory if you always tell the truth.



[edit on 18-12-2008 by badmedia]



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 07:35 PM
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The most intelligent people i have ever met did not have fancy bits of paper saying they are intelligent and left school ie government brainwashing factory with mediocre grades.

[edit on 18-12-2008 by Solomons]



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Solomons
The most intelligent people i have ever met did not have fancy bits of paper saying they are intelligent and left school ie government brainwashing factory with mediocre grades.


Funny, I never graduated highschool, and never went to college. And for the reasons you mentioned as well.

I taught myself how to do programming and now I'm the CTO of my company, based only on my ability, not pieces of paper I have.

When I hire people, I generally avoid people with college degrees. They want too much money for entry level jobs and think they know it all when they don't really know much. I call them syntax monkeys. Great at syntax and simplifying a line of code, but absolute crap when it comes to system design logic.

So I completely agree(maybe I'm biased tho lol).



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 08:10 PM
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I have been involved with MENSA previously, and completed tests.
I won't suggest what my IQ was deemed by them to be, because I don't think that it is important in the slightest.

Yes it looks good on a CV if you think you can get away with using it without sounding arrogant, but in life it is meaningless.

If I maintained an above average IQ, I may be able to comprehend something more easily, or be more efficient, or more creative than average, but I could still miss things that are blatantly obvious to others.

A genius could consider the universe and an atom with remarkable implications for mankind, but a person not deemed to be a genius may find the cure for cancer.

I understand the reasons for this thread, but IQ has no bearing on how Humans see the world or comprehend Humanity or Nature etc. The many different views are equal in value regardless of IQ.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 08:20 PM
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Alot of people who doubt IQ tests probably have a high IQ. Mine is 129, tested by psychologists and internet test alike lol. I think of myself as being in between insanity and sanity, like a middleman. Someone who could talk and bridge gaps between the two, if it was ever necessary.

There is definetly something to IQ, in my opinion. No it does not mean real world success or that you will get the girls. But if you are smart you could manipulate the girls, but for some reason those who are really smart choose the high road, hmm... But just breaking 100 IQ in a real test means you have some measure of patience at least.

In 8th grade when that psycho, er psychologist told me I had 129 I was very surprised. It's not ridiculously high but I did ok. Maybe it was because I drank well water growing up. Man who really knows.

I think there is definetly something to IQ though, but again take it with a grain of salt. But to those who outright dismiss it, that's really not smart.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 08:33 PM
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I've been tested at 136 and a 2nd time about 4 years later at 143 and I'm living proof that "high IQ" means squat lol. If I'm focused on learning something I MIGHT pick it up a bit quicker than someone with a lower IQ but that's about all I can think of. I think our environment from birth plays as big a role as natural IQ too. And there are some really high IQ people who couldn't socialize with a kitten so emotional IQ is probably a bigger plus for someone in real life. My 2 cents from someone who's supposedly 'very bright' but I'm actually just a normal schmuck who makes bad decisions as often as most everyone else does! That's probably the most honest answer this guy's gonna get.

[edit on 18-12-2008 by hawkeye1717]



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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LoL it's a very honest answer but how can you not see that your answer is rational and frankly intellectual.

A person with 80 IQ would just say "Yeah those high IQ people, I R DUMB, I don't know squat, I wish I was smart."

While you have the intellect to rise above all these pointless constructs, you just happen to have more IQ than me lol.

It requires you to be smart to see past these IQ tests... It seems transendental to dismiss them, but really your opinion's value is strengthened because of your high IQ.

Nobody with 80 IQ would ever arrive at the conclusion that IQ means nothing and it's just a useless construct. They would believe whatever the psychologist told them.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by badmedia
I have a high IQ. A high IQ is really just a measure on how fast you learn and what patterns you are able to see in things.



Basically this is IQ in a nutshell.
How fast can you learn and how much can you retain.

What you do with your mind over the course of your life is the real measure of intelligence. A genius who doesn't think is less intelligent than an average person who does.

It is just easier to learn with higher IQ for the most part. It doesn't mean you will learn more.

As for special abilities, good reading speed and comprehension are it for me. I don't seem to stick with any pursuit past being competent before I get bored so I'm just average at more different things than most.

I know lots of people with average or lower IQ that are smarter than me.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by badgerprints
Basically this is IQ in a nutshell.
How fast can you learn and how much can you retain.

What you do with your mind over the course of your life is the real measure of intelligence. A genius who doesn't think is less intelligent than an average person who does.

It is just easier to learn with higher IQ for the most part. It doesn't mean you will learn more.

As for special abilities, good reading speed and comprehension are it for me. I don't seem to stick with any pursuit past being competent before I get bored so I'm just average at more different things than most.

I know lots of people with average or lower IQ that are smarter than me.


Yep, anything I've learned is available to anyone with any IQ. It's just a matter of how fast you learn it. If it takes the normal person a year to do/complete a class, I can do it in about 3 months(this is based on fact on my own experience). Still learned the same things in the end.

The real benefit to a higher IQ is between 2 people who never stop learning. Then in a years time, the person with the higher IQ would have learned more. But this is a bit moot in our world, as we quit learning new things for the most part once we get into doing our jobs etc.



posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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I was picked out of my grade school class and given an actual IQ test that lasted a few days. I tested high. One of the psychologists sat my parents and myself down and described some of the pros and cons...these didn't really manifest until later but the more notable ones...

- trouble identifying with society as a whole and the way most people follow orders like sheep

- seeing outside of the box to such a degree that normal life seems meaningless. Meaning almost a sense of hopelessness, nothing i can do will make a difference when so many people are content griding through life and not caring about anything else

So yeah...high IQ isn't always a good thing

edit: i graduated college with a bachelors degree. Within a week of starting my first job i was figuratively smacked in the face by reality. I couldn't believe that the real world was so stupid. Nothing made sense. Co workers were dumb. Life was robotic. I stuck with it for 7 years and advanced pretty fast in my career....and then the bottom fell out. I woke up one day and literally couldn't even fake it anymore. I left my career and did random things since then. Currently i have a job that pays low and requires almost nothing more than i show up each day. Money means nothing, career means nothing to me anymore. The only things i care about are my wife and my free time and travel.

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posted on Dec, 18 2008 @ 11:49 PM
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Genius is pain, idiocy is bliss.



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 12:01 AM
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My IQ is 121, my middle brothers IQ is 135, and my youngest brothers IQ is 167. And it doesn't matter, either, because some things my brothers have a better aptitude for and there are things I have a better aptitude for. It all evens out in the long run.



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by oldgoat
- trouble identifying with society as a whole and the way most people follow orders like sheep

- seeing outside of the box to such a degree that normal life seems meaningless. Meaning almost a sense of hopelessness, nothing i can do will make a difference when so many people are content griding through life and not caring about anything else


Absolutely right.
I think this is why depression seems to effect those with a high IQ quite easily.

I would imagine a majority of those with a higher than average IQ often feel misunderstood and feel a desire to leave society. How many of those who become hermits have such an incredible intelligence? I'd bet it's quite a large number.



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by oldgoat
- trouble identifying with society as a whole and the way most people follow orders like sheep

- seeing outside of the box to such a degree that normal life seems meaningless. Meaning almost a sense of hopelessness, nothing i can do will make a difference when so many people are content griding through life and not caring about anything else


Absolutely right.
I think this is why depression seems to effect those with a high IQ quite easily.

I would imagine a majority of those with a higher than average IQ often feel misunderstood and feel a desire to leave society. How many of those who become hermits have such an incredible intelligence? I'd bet it's quite a large number.



I always compare life to like the matrix and i took the blue pill (or was it the red one?). I can see through all of the bull#. I see a beautiful planet that has been changed into basically a prison. This life as a whole is finally concealed slavery.

With that being said, we own a large piece of land in the PNW and plan on moving there eventually and getting away from everything. I would rather live off of the grid. Something about being in control of my own destiny is what life really is about. Not sitting in front of a monitor for 8 hours a day, braindead and lifeless and pretending like you're important



posted on Dec, 19 2008 @ 10:48 PM
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I wouldn't say it's a 'useless construct'. I'm a good writer and very musical so maybe that's a manifestation of slightly higher IQ than average. EQ is much more important in real life though. A good example is that when I was in my teens my family moved a lot. I went to 3 different High Schools and when you're the new guy and meeting so many different types of people that young you learn a bit more about people(and how to read people) earlier in life and it becomes part of your EQ. Environment is a big component to overall smarts imho. I took the Meyer's Briggs personality test in 8th grade and was on the Extroverted side of things. After the moves I took it again my first year of college and was INFJ(introverted) which is rare type, mostly because it's rare to move that often in such a short period of time at those ages and my personality adjusted to my environment. I took it again a year ago online and was still INFJ lol. I guess what happens in your teens sticks with ya. The point is that in my job now as an adult I deal in negotiation and the skills I picked up as a kid when it comes to reading people give me an edge that others might not have. That's another way of saying IQ helps some but it's not a make or break asset in life by any means, and a person's environment shapes them in much more tangible ways than raw brainpower. Then again, it's just an opinion and could be way off base so who knows....



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