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Concealed Carrier Prevents Mass Shooting At SC Nightclub

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posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: abe froman

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: abe froman



The fact that his agenda is failing means nothing, except that he has to go to extreme measures to push it forward.


You claimed Obama's "scheme" has resulted in the death of Americans. But now it's failing?



Like setting up a false flag mass shooting to get Republicans to agree to a vote to further his gun control agenda.

Which is happening right now.


False flag? Are we treading in to nutter territory again?



You do know this is a conspiracy site, right?


Don't make excuses.


And unfortunately for the paranoids of the world, not everything is a conspiracy.




posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

An egg-sized rock to the side of your head and your terrorist days are over, why dont you watch some of the millions of hours of free video of riots where people are killed and permanently injured by such stones....if someone drops the hammer on you your reacion time for pulling and aiming a Glock and an egg sized stone are pretty close, the Glock round gets there sooner and is followed up much much sooner.....however the first shot is still on the way from both sources and is potentially terminal in both cases.....soooooo....250 egg-sized rocks coming at your beanbag automatic weapon or not is bad karma for you every time.

www.youtube.com...

If you watch that video and imagine a throwdown where the man with the holstered weapon has an opponent with an egg-sized rock concealed in each hand ,then he drops the hammer on the officer....launching one in a sucker-punch move then sprinting in full speed behind it firing another as he closes distance reaching for his knife or "ceramic hair comb" with and "edge"....lol......now imagine 250 people doing this same thing..... I simply see this as a 100% lose scenario for a gunman if people have cerebral muscle memory confidence and ad-hoc wepons with crippeling and terminal potentials .

You are not drawing a weapon..aiming it effectively...nor re-loading it in any type of comfort zone with deadly egg-sized rocks kipping at your head.


I am not joking.....set up a 1/2 frozen watermelon....and a fresh one....then fire a few fastballs into them from 21ft....15ft....10ft....5ft....full force.....and consider the results.

Guns have limitations as do knives ect ect...fear is what makes weapons effective in the hands of a single attacker...if a crowd collectively knows what to do.....and acts together impactfully in a timely manner courageously then the crowd wins every single time.

Put a gunman with an automatic paintball gun in a bar full of 250 "educated" people with 2 egg-sized hard rubber rocks each...or give them an assortment of tasers and lets see what happens.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: Shamrock6

An egg-sized rock to the side of your head and your terrorist days are over, why dont you watch some of the millions of hours of free video of riots where people are killed and permanently injured by such stones....if someone drops the hammer on you your reacion time for pulling and aiming a Glock and an egg sized stone are pretty close, the Glock round gets there sooner and is followed up much much sooner.....however the first shot is still on the way from both sources and is potentially terminal in both cases.....soooooo....250 egg-sized rocks coming at your beanbag automatic weapon or not is bad karma for you every time.

www.youtube.com...

If you watch that video and imagine a throwdown where the man with the holstered weapon has an opponent with an egg-sized rock concealed in each hand ,then he drops the hammer on the officer....launching one in a sucker-punch move then sprinting in full speed behind it firing another as he closes distance reaching for his knife or "ceramic hair comb" with and "edge"....lol......now imagine 250 people doing this same thing..... I simply see this as a 100% lose scenario for a gunman if people have cerebral muscle memory confidence and ad-hoc wepons with crippeling and terminal potentials .

You are not drawing a weapon..aiming it effectively...nor re-loading it in any type of comfort zone with deadly egg-sized rocks kipping at your head.


I am not joking.....set up a 1/2 frozen watermelon....and a fresh one....then fire a few fastballs into them from 21ft....15ft....10ft....5ft....full force.....and consider the results.

Guns have limitations as do knives ect ect...fear is what makes weapons effective in the hands of a single attacker...if a crowd collectively knows what to do.....and acts together impactfully in a timely manner courageously then the crowd wins every single time.

Put a gunman with an automatic paintball gun in a bar full of 250 "educated" people with 2 egg-sized hard rubber rocks each...or give them an assortment of tasers and lets see what happens.



D-cell flashlight batteries are an effective weapon as well, especially for tailgaters.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: one4all

There's no law against carrying a rock around.

Why don't you watch the millions of hours of video of people losing gunfights because they didn't bring a gun to it.

So again, you may proceed with your less lethal response to lethal force.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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Why don’t we deputize some of these people who are good with guns?


They use to do that in the old west. Posse time they’d, well at least according to the old movies, DEPUTIZE HALF THE TOWN.

Seriously though, again I say, we need a militia of sane, non overly political people to protect the public places...soft targets as they call them.


Of course you would get he psychological tests and only be able to use your gun in instances of terrorism, mass shooting or crime.

Is that a crazy idea?



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Having fired guns of different types from handguns to shotguns to rifles to black powder muskets.....I will flat out say I will take a firearm every time.....against a firearm......however gun laws prevent this...sooooo....next best is whats in the bullpen.

I repeat ...my hands on experience with both guns and rocks and having had both fired at me....lol...tells me that the guy in the bar with the paintball gun is toast in under 2 minutes because of reloads slowing him down......ever see the movie Roadhouse???...well imagine co-ordinated planned smooth egg-sized rock response under duress from trained staff and trained Customers.

You want to approach things as if an elite trained special forces level gunman is sytemiclly eliminating people with nerves of steel no equipment malfunctions or process errors and complete and utter confidence pace and pushing of his weapons firing parameters being the only thing slowing him down.....your starting point is unrealistic.....and accurately targetting moving people is not as easy as one thinks....I must stress the difficulty in hitting moving targets with any type of gun.Any hunter understands,which is why they dont take snap shots on running game unless they have to.

Of course if you simply give people 2 rocks each and then send them in untrained....they will be wiped out....however....if the noise of the weapon is conditioned out as a panic response and conditioned in as a triggerpoint ....and if there is some level of practice....as funny as it sounds.....the possibilities are boundless in terms of what kind of heat could be brought down on a single armed assailant in close quarters.

So a taser and a few egg-sized Pet Rocks are standard Clubbing gear nowadays....lol.

LOL...just take 50 people with rocks in the bar and see if the paintball guy can take them out if they are fearless and closing on him with intentions from everywhere enmasse at speed.....lol....remember he only takes maximum 2 headshots and hes shut down and if its a sweetspot like the temple or mouth or between the eyes he is out of the fight.....lol..broken fingers dont shoot very well either....lol.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: Shamrock6

Having fired guns of different types from handguns to shotguns to rifles to black powder muskets.....I will flat out say I will take a firearm every time.....against a firearm......however gun laws prevent this...sooooo....next best is whats in the bullpen.

I repeat ...my hands on experience with both guns and rocks and having had both fired at me....lol...tells me that the guy in the bar with the paintball gun is toast in under 2 minutes because of reloads slowing him down......ever see the movie Roadhouse???...well imagine co-ordinated planned smooth egg-sized rock response under duress from trained staff and trained Customers.

You want to approach things as if an elite trained special forces level gunman is sytemiclly eliminating people with nerves of steel no equipment malfunctions or process errors and complete and utter confidence pace and pushing of his weapons firing parameters being the only thing slowing him down.....your starting point is unrealistic.....and accurately targetting moving people is not as easy as one thinks....I must stress the difficulty in hitting moving targets with any type of gun.Any hunter understands,which is why they dont take snap shots on running game unless they have to.

Of course if you simply give people 2 rocks each and then send them in untrained....they will be wiped out....however....if the noise of the weapon is conditioned out as a panic response and conditioned in as a triggerpoint ....and if there is some level of practice....as funny as it sounds.....the possibilities are boundless in terms of what kind of heat could be brought down on a single armed assailant in close quarters.

So a taser and a few egg-sized Pet Rocks are standard Clubbing gear nowadays....lol.

LOL...just take 50 people with rocks in the bar and see if the paintball guy can take them out if they are fearless and closing on him with intentions from everywhere enmasse at speed.....lol....remember he only takes maximum 2 headshots and hes shut down and if its a sweetspot like the temple or mouth or between the eyes he is out of the fight.....lol..broken fingers dont shoot very well either....lol.














Drunk folks with rocks in there pockets. Hmmmmm.

This plays out comically in 99% of the cases.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: In4ormant

I like the one where it plays out that we see a plane full of drunk passengers armed with egg-sized rocks and bad intentions drooling at a terrorist with a boxcutter and a single stewardess.....lol....because I for one am a big fan of Spocks and believe that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few so I shall be launching my rocks godspeed my aim but those suckers are already in the air or I am hammering them into your skullbone in close Stewardess be darned after all I am trying to save her soul.All terrorism does is make people MORE RESOULTE IMHO.
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posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: one4all
a reply to: In4ormant

I like the one where it plays out that we see a plane full of drunk passengers armed with egg-sized rocks and bad intentions drooling at a terrorist with a boxcutter and a single stewardess.....lol....because I for one am a big fan of Spocks and believe that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few so I shall be launching my rocks godspeed my aim but those suckers are already in the air or I am hammering them into your skullbone in close Stewardess be darned after all I am trying to save her soul.All terrorism does is make people MORE RESOULTE IMHO.


Let's all just start carrying ninja stars



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: CX

Depends on the state law.

You're not allowed to concealed carry and consume alcohol. Carrying into some sort of public accommodation that serves it, but not consuming it, is laid out in the state's permit laws.


What he says is true but there is also a something called the 51% rule which means if the establishment makes 51% of their profits from the sale of alcohol (it will be posted on the front door) you are not allowed to bring a firearm inside if you are a normal pedestrian. That is the way it is in Texas anyway....



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Don't be obtuse.

It's a fact that Americans are dead through the direct actions of Obama and his current administration.



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 01:18 AM
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originally posted by: abe froman
If the shooting hadn't been prevented by a ccw holder and lots of people had died, this thread would already be swarmed by SJWs and left wing gun control nuts.

Funny how that works.





How do you know anything was "prevented"? There are shootings at clubs all the time, more often then mass shootings. Did the shooter lay out a Manifesto somewhere dictating he was going for as many kills as possible?


After getting into a fight with another person, the 32-year-old suspect pulled out a gun and began to fire at a crowd of people gathered outside of the club, hitting and injuring four, WISTV reports.


After getting into a fight with another person

After getting into a fight... ,,,with another person

Doesn't sound like a mass shooting, or the intent of one. Here's a thought, stop lying. If you truly believe having guns back you up and prevent crime and it reduces the number of homicides, state the stats. Present the stories as they are. If its accurate you are the good guys.

This story could've easily been, "shootout at club, one legal own and illegal owner involved." and someone can argue whoever pulled the gun produced as much hazard as the first. (Im not even saying that is/ the case, only that it can be interpreted that way. And Im guessing headlines are good enough for your argument and nothing more.

Soon as you misrepresent the truth, you become the same as every other political objective. Oh, and Americans for some reason think guns are protecting you from your gov, no...they haven't. Your rights are gone, bank bailouts and gov-bailouts, criminals in government not even getting hearings, 1/2-1/3 of the men in your population have a record, and you can be locked up for just about anything.

Here's the story you guys missed: You lost. A long time ago. The rights you think you can protect with guns? Yeah...gone. In fact, if you so much as raised an eyebrow in effort to make a change, using your weapons, there would be military strength forces knocking down your doors faster than you can say PRISM.
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posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 01:26 AM
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 If you truly believe having guns back you up and prevent crime and it reduces the number of homicides, state the stats. Present the stories as they are. If its accurate you are the good guys. 


Like this?


Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.[5]

* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).[6] And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."[7]



www.gunowners.org...



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 02:41 AM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Whoop-de-do! Still sitting at 182 mass shootings in 2016... That's a disgrace for a civilized nation.


Done by Obama and his team of black ops, no less.

Not a single one is a real event, that wasn't done by the PTB.

And we're not fooled.



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 03:11 AM
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a reply to: boncho

The guy fired into a crowd.

Anytime more than 3 people are killed it's a mass shooting, Obama said so.

Also, according to Obama I could shoot 100 people, as long as 2 or less people die, it's not a mass shooting.

That's how you lie to the citizens.

Like if you call graffiti a "terrorist attack" you can make it statistically look like terrorism is not mainly perpetrated by Muslims, even though 94% of fatalities from terrorist attacks are caused by Muslim terrorists.

See how that works?

Tasty, tasty Kool-Aid.



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 03:16 AM
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Yep, even though weapons used in the Paris attack were traced to the same location Obama used to funnel weapons to Mexican drug cartels his thralls refuse to see the light.

Of course, the Obama administration and it's supporters claim you can't prove it's one of Obama's Fast and Furious weapons because Obama lost track of them.

Wasn't that the point of giving all those weapons to our enemies in the first place?



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 03:41 AM
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Anytime more than 3 people are killed it's a mass shooting, Obama said so.

Also, according to Obama I could shoot 100 people, as long as 2 or less people die, it's not a mass shooting.



No I don't see. I see bla bla "Obama" bla bla "Obama." ... and if it were Obama it'd be someone else. If it weren't a democrat, conservatives would fine away, but the polarized people would be fine so long as something anti-liberal got thrown in and the whole thing was blamed on them. Don't think the cons wouldn't take your guns the same. All decisions are made behind closed doors.

As mentioned in the other post, Americans were left their guns, and told 'as long as you have these we can never take your rights away'. Meanwhile they bankrupted the nation, bailed out the banks later and still maintain the highest per capita prison numbers.

You live in the police state. Hell, not much different from a communist police state circa WWII. Statistically, you are more likely to shoot yourself than a 'mass shooter'. I don't mean to say one side is right or wrong either, or one side of the issue is. The fact is it doesn't matter what you say or do, and that's the reality. If everyone just refused to Vote in defiance it'd be more effectively than voting for either party.



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 04:48 AM
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originally posted by: TheAmazingYeti
Whoop-de-do! Still sitting at 182 mass shootings in 2016... That's a disgrace for a civilized nation.


Most of those are gang-related, and I find your deflection funny seeing as how if it were up to you there would probably be more mass shootings because more people would be disarmed



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 05:02 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Concealed Carrier Prevents Mass Shooting At SC Nightclub

Well the nerve of that person!

Obviously he shouldn't haven't have a gun.

He was suppose to shelter in place( about as asinine as duck and cover was), and just dialed 911 for police to come save them, of course after a three hour wait.



Problem is SCOTUS as already said the the police have no requirement to protect an idividial and that falls on the individual. Their jib is to protect socity as a whole.

Wonder why that ruling isnot repeated all the time?



Warren v. District of Columbia
Castle Rock v. Gonzales



posted on Jul, 1 2016 @ 05:28 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: TheAmazingYeti

And how many of those were gang involved? Or drug related? Would you really equate a gang shootout over drugs to Orlando? Or is it just easier to lump them all together and scream "GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


WELL...

When it comes to the Liberal agenda you are allowed to add all the gang shootings in Chicago to the total.
BUT you are not allowed to talked about the gun bans in the city.

Basically you can only add the mass shootings to the talk, all other data from Chicago must NOT be used for any reason.




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