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What's in a Lamassu? - ISIS Destroys artifact(s) - A glimpse inside & WAR - A Cover?

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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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Prologue: Are we in the era of modern day Crusades?



The main body is not necessarily breaking news, although a story that appears to be currently developing led me to the question posed in main portion of this post.

Russians with the aide of foreign specialists, seeking out mysterious relics:

Here is what led me to the topic at hand, if you want the TL : DR just scroll past the prologue and begin at Part 3.

There is some apparently shifty news coming out of Syria right now, interesting none-the-less... claims that Russia has taken over a large area of significant antiquity sites in Palmyra, after air raid campaigns backing Syria, and have foreign antiquity experts roaming the city in search of something.


(Zaman Al Wasl- Exclusive)- Well-informed sources revealed to Zaman al-Wasl that secret excavation operations in the historic city of Palmyra are underway, aiming to find claimed Jewish antiquities backed by Russia which has the upper hand in the city.

The sources said controversy over the nature of some activities in Palmyra following arrival of 3 unknown experts in Palmyra. They move in Palmyra in great reservation protected by Russian soldiers. They do not communicate with Syrian employees, but only communicate with Russians via an interpreter.


The above is making a claim that what I presume are Israeli antiquity experts, or religious experts, roaming the Russian controlled area in Palmyra, looking for specific artifacts or relics, apparently with Hebrew inscriptions. The claim is tension is building, which lies in the Russians refusal to allow Syrian (Assad regime soldiers/civilians) to be present in this area, while the Russians are chauffeuring around the special parties.

Launching a Modern Day Crusade(?):

Many have questioned the Afghan War, Iraq War, build up of ISIS and Syria/Iraq-ISIL conflict as a possible pretext or cover for something far more important than regular ME warfare. There are multiple angles to this, the most fantastical of course being that there are ancient relics and artifacts hidden in the Middle East-A Stargate, the Chalice, the Ark of the Covenant and who knows what else. True relics of the actual gods who one day ruled over us.

The idea being that many of the current excavations or intrusive explorations in ancient ruins could not be possible unless done under the guise of 'restoration'. That, and trading or shipping relics, as its nearly impossible to move certain artifacts/relics/statues under stable conditions where they are guarded and regulated by antiquity oversight organizations-museums/cultural bodies, etc

ISIS destroying relics/monuments/statues as a cover to ship the real ones in illegal antiquities trade.

Recent Wars/Conflicts: Iraq/Babylon -

Another alternative theory is basically along the same lines, but that our god-kings have either returned incognito, interacting with world leaders today, or they are planning to return soon, and forces are splitting the people down religious lines to fight for whichever god-king (alien) they swear loyalty to. Of course this isn't even that far off from actual religious interpretation, merely with more literal meaning to it. But if you suggest literal meaning to most religious disciples, the idea of alien god-kings is untenable to many.

Thread on the Iraq- Stargate Theory

Long list of Stargate links

Undo's - Stargates are Real - Thread

Stargate Conspiracy - (Disinformation) - Circa 2001

Keep in mind Im not endorsing all the ideas behind the Stargate theories, but I am pointing out even if untrue, there is and has been a huge push behind disseminating disinfo related to it. You can find a lot of that in the link titled 'disinfo', by people who are knee deep in various other disinfo projects. The question then becomes what's it all needed to obfuscate?

Conventional signs of ulterior motives behind war:

20 Priceless monuments you will never see.

Worst cultural devistation since WWII

Temple of Nabu & the Seven Sages (Mermaids/Mermen) Destroyed

Looting & Destroying Priceless Heritage

Looting Antiquities - Destruction is just a cover


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Layers of Disinformation



To note, before this point is raised. Sorcha Faal, the notorious "inside source" at the Kremlin (har har) did a story/hoax on Iraq-Stargate, and since then anything even remotely similar to it, is immediately dismissed. I posit that Sorcha Faal, in the 10+ years "it" and 'what-does-it-mean' has been operating, SF seems to jump on every story right before or right around it might get picked up elsewhere. Only to put a completely BS spin on whatever it is, trick FARS, DailyFail and a variety of tabloids to pick up on it, and discredit whatever subject it is. With the sheer amount of content SF releases, I have a hard time believing its a one-man operation. I would hazard to guess its a disinformation outlet, but who's behind it? I have no idea.

There's a new one on the block as well, WorldNewsDailyReport which claims to be "Satire" except nothing they post is funny. It's all just a spin on Alt-News, Alt-Archeology, Alt-health, etc, basically Alt-ideas with a bit of sensationalism or nonsense mixed in, wrapped up and hoaxed into peoples news feeds. The only purpose it serves is to discredit basically anything it touches. It isn't funny...at...all.

Just look at the "about us" and the supposed description of itself:


World News Daily Report is an American Jewish Zionist newspaper based in Tel Aviv and dedicated on covering biblical archeology news and other mysteries around the Globe. Our News Team is composed of award winning Christian, Muslim and Jewish journalists, retired Mossad agents and veterans of the Israeli Armed Forces.


Scratching your head? Yeah, me too.


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Somewhere underneath it all, the truth lies buried. "Who's is discovering our past hidden under Earth, who's trying to keep it buried". Two questions that need to be answered.





End of Part 1


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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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Movement in the Middle East



Part 2

Just normal geo-politics or is there something more to it underneath?

Im not sure if people have been paying attention, but just a week ago within the OSINT crowd (Open-Source Intel) there was a massive build-up of Russian troops and a response from American military. Many thought WWIII was getting kicked off. In the end nothing happened but it left a lot of people perplexed. The OSINT crowd were tracking military official and unofficial movements with both superpowers, large land, sea and air resources were piling up in the region. The Defcon Warning system logged most of the action on twitter, and their rating went down to Defcon 3. (Supposedly representative of the US' actual Defcon system).

The short end of it is: Something is going on in the Middle East, and it's being ignored by the MSM (or it was, while it was happening). No one really knew what the reason behind the movements were, but it was being tracked by numerous people in the OSINT community. Sometimes these are people who are loosely connected to real-world intelligence, or they might be retired military, journalists, etc.

The Media did cover some previous movements of Russia/US-NATO

Russia/NATO Wargames

Russia vs. NATO

These two media pieces were done a month ago. Just an hour ago or so, they're now saying US/NATO is preparing for War with Russia - Now.

Russia Vows Countermeasures and US Prepares for war against Russia.

I'm not sure if they are slow to report, but there was literally not a peep from them as it was going down. Scrambled radio channels were rambling off like crazy over a 24 hour period during the episode mentioned but media was dark on all of it. Perhaps its just a way for media to insulate themselves from leaking tactical data, and the end result is this, 'official' releases a few days to a week later. But if you aren't getting news as it happens, its hard to believe the stated cause behind the action. I guess the question is: is there more to the story? For a perfect example of this, look at Benghazi, how in the early hours it was officially going to about a movie release half a world away, in congress where it was claimed the boots on the ground gave a different story, or now, when it's....uh, whatever they say it is. Point being, best chance you have at understanding whats really going on is, as it happens, or maybe years later after someone has had time to peruse all the data related to whatever it was. Even then its not a guarantee.

End of Part 2
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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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Part 3

The Gates of Nineveh






TL : DR - A jackhammer can barely scratch the face of the old gods --- What's lies underneath the skin of an original Assyrian Lamassu (?)



Lamassu: A winged bull with the head of a man, the wings of an eagle and the body of a bull. Alternatively, some have the body of a lion. (Anyone reminded of a certain fixture in Egypt that has water erosion damage dating back +10,000 years?)

Officially, it's the composite of the most powerful and ferocious creatures in the region. Unofficially, I'd say look to the Sumerian texts, and even the Mauro Biglino literal translation of the Leningrad Codex he was hired by the Vatican to translate (until they stopped him for doing what he was asked) and it appears the Sumerian's and early Biblical text seems much more literal, and makes much more sense literally. In other words, maybe these statues were simply documenting the gods, the living breathing gods, which were historically documented by the Sumerian's, 8 god-kings ruling man for ~250,000 years.

It's also not to deny the religious or divine implications of these histories and the relics they are centred on. Clearly religious worship evolved from this period in history. The debate of course is if the early Sumerian texts were not religious in nature, but documenting historical fact. Without getting too far into it, just think if a 'god' came down, performed unspeakable acts/miracles/feats with your people, in the future it would absolutely take allegorical meaning, even if the original texts were strictly historical and literal in nature.

End of Part 3


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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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Part 4

Back to the Lamassu:


It stood at one of the many gates along Nineveh's city walls, as a protective spirit and a symbol of the power of the Assyrian king.


Officially, the Lamassu were made of Limestone, and if you look through a lot of what was destroyed by ISIS, a lot of the relics and statues are replicas, some plaster, some other kinds of stone. It's hard to tell what is real and what isn't. Which are the originals? Even for experts in the field, they have trouble discerning as much: Assessing the damage in Mosul - Assyrian Artifacts

And, people who are familiar with different civilizations building on previous work, rebuilding, making use of existing foundations, etc-this is larely where the entire "Ancient Aliens" - "Alternative History" debate resides. In many cases modern archeology ignore signs that certain ruins were built on top of old, ignores that any civilization could pre-date whats commonly thought to be the right timeline.

In any case, my question is, what is this Lamassu made of? Perhaps Im totally out in left field here. If you look at the other destroyed pieces however, they appear to be chalky, brittle stone. But the highlighted picture of jackhammer being taken to one of the original Lamassu? To me it doesn't appear to be limestone. Although I may be ignorant to the properties of the rock [I've been looking at others and it seems different though].



From what I've found, most of the videos have been wiped clean from the net, showing this actual destruction. The claim is to prevent promotion of ISIS terrible acts. Though plenty of relic destruction videos exist, just not this exact one. I only found this video which shows briefly the jackhammer in operation. He's jacking it but barely getting anything off. If you look at the up close after shot, its clear he was working on it for a long time. So what was it made out of? Is Limestone really that hard/difficult, why's it appear so shiny inside??

The other question is, what's the difference between this piece and so many others. Many others being much easier to destroy, which fall apart or have worn over the years. As previously mentioned, numerous temples and statues have been rebuilt, re-appropriated or revised over the years. The question I ask is whether or not we even know the difference. Perhaps I'd have some more confidence in the status quo, if I hadn't read articles and blogs by people who are in the field and they themselves cannot distinguish this. Perhaps the British Museum making press releases like:


“We can confirm that none of the objects featured in this video are copies of originals at the British Museum.”

When it's a factually incorrect statement, doesn't help elicit the most confidence. Along with other disputed timelines and evidence, which seems to be forbidden, whether its to protect an age old tourism industry, or something that lies much deeper... There are many questions surround our ancient history.

USA Today Story on the destruction

ISIS Destroys Baalshamin Temple - DailyFail
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posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 12:46 PM
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An Arch and long before Rome, the like's of Isis are merely one of a string of stupid and illiterate moron's whom have tried to destroy history, The Taliban, Pol Pot, The Spanish in south america, Ghengis Khan and the Mongol invaders and many other's, in fact I am ashamed to have to point out that there were two time's in Christian history when similar thing's happened, In egypt when the then Majority Christians finally overthrew the ancient temple's and smashed them to pieces and also later in the period known as the Iconoclasm in the Byzantine empire when many priceless artifact's were destroyed and of course lest we forget emperor chin ordering the destruction of all traces of the seven kingdoms and making history start with himself in China which is of course named after him.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 01:41 PM
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Conquering empires always destroy a countries heritage and history as part of subjugation. Wipe the slate, its year zero. a new age, a new world order. Here, have some McDonalds and IMF debt.

All that other crap about Noahs Ark and Stargates, pfft.

They are searching around Palmetto because some of the artifacts were stolen and hidden for later sale. The Syrian army interrupted that gravy train just like the Russians interrupted the truck convoys of stolen oil from going to Turkey.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 02:08 PM
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Just marking the thread to watch but will say that the more I look into the Bible the better its understood if you put the literal eyes on it . Yes to the god's as real beings ruling over the nations and the nations creating monuments to them . Secular history tells the same stories and treats them as being real beings . Although a lesser god then the Creator God but to humans god's none the less .

Yea and the sorcha fall thing is too strange to not have some facts or truth to it ...great post S&F



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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Well first and foremost - it would not surprise me at all if some destroyed artifacts were actually replicas. It's no secret that ISIS has a financial interest in smuggling antiquities to private dealers.

I am certainly no expert in workable materials but the destroyed Lamassu (rest in peace) looks enough like limestone to me. The simple fact that the columns at Palmyra have stood for so long should convince you of the inherent strength of limestone. Workable, yet sturdy. I think your video of the "shiny" limestone is merely an overexposed camera due to filming outside in the sun. Whiteness often appears brighter therein.



In many cases modern archeology ignore signs that certain ruins were built on top of old, ignores that any civilization could pre-date whats commonly thought to be the right timeline.

Could you provide one single example of this? Did we ignore the layers indicating the number of times Troy was rebuilt? Did not Sumeria convince archaeologists of a civilization before Egypt? Did not Catal Hukuk and Jericho push back our dates further?

Do you honestly think an alien from a distant galaxy would look human, or that a hybrid would have the human and animal regions so distinctly separated? I cannot fathom a combination of DNA knowing how to stop precisely at the neck and suddenly changing to fur and feathers whilst the head remains identical to that of a man.
That is not to say the events absolutely could not have happened, but regardless, the depictions must be metaphorical at best.

When the first Nimrud Lamassus were uncovered in the 1850s or so, they were declared to be depictions of kings: Intellect of a man, the strength of a lion, and the freedom/power of an eagle. If you were to take the beast literally, there is no possible way those small wings could carry such a massive creature.

And have you actually read The Stargate Conspiracy? It makes the exact opposite claim, which is that intelligence agencies were promoting cult-y alien beliefs in ancient history in order to create a global religion. My best friend is obsessed with the book and forced me to read it once. It exposes a lot of lies from the ancient aliens camp.

Very detailed and interesting thread though. I will agree there is some deeper, shadier Russian/US involvement which is disconcerting.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 03:01 PM
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In many cases modern archeology ignore signs that certain ruins were built on top of old, ignores that any civilization could pre-date whats commonly thought to be the right timeline. Could you provide one single example of this?


Discovering the Real Gate of Solomon: The David Rohl Lectures - Part 4



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 06:13 PM
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Seeing as how Interpol traced nearly every major art theft in last two decades to Russia and classified Russia as a "robber state", I would say there is a good chance they are looting Syria's antiquities.



posted on Jun, 29 2016 @ 11:59 PM
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Like they're erasing history. Sorta what one would do before a big war. Afterwards only the "truth" would survive. In a few generations no one will think otherwise.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 08:38 AM
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Perhaps that wasn't the best wording as each case is different and I was really trying to hit on a larger issue, but some could be misinterpretations, others are simply ignored. Baalbek is a good example:




Urquhart concludes that the temple must have been built by contemporaries of Noah, using the same technological prowess that enabled the construction of the ark.

Work was halted because of the flood, which swept away all the similar sites, leaving the enigma of Baalbek alone on the face of the earth.

Scholars today like to laugh at Urquhart, particularly at his alleged belief that mastodons transported the stones. (I didn’t see any reference to mastodons in his diary.) But archaeologists are still trying to solve the riddles that he posed.


www.newyorker.com...

So it's better to say, that some things are out of place, and ignored. There's an argument for something I said earlier, but I don't really want to broach the subject. It involves going over white papers from various archeological interpretations. I think that's part of the problem right there, the soft science of subjective opinions mixed into archeology.


The common thread across all of it however is the sudden development of human civilization and the timelines that that are threatened by evidence contrary to the official ones. The water erosion on the Sphynx, where Gobekli Tepe fits in, the sunken city off the coast of Japan,,

Oddities like the similarities in in Japanese megalithic masonry and the stonework in South American sites.

There are plenty others as well. In South Africa, the stone circles are a perfect example.





Michael Tellinger has a lot on these, and while I don't agree with his conclusions, he's got a point about the circles. There are circles dating back to much older than they are credited for, and they are largely ignored. Tribes in the recent past have built over them, creating cattle enclosures and other structures on the remains, but these circles are all over the place. From the entirety of Africa to the Middle East.

The biggest problem with modern interpretation of archeology/anthropology is where they start a preconceived conclusion, then move from there. Even though many years in our various historical records have been wiped clean, or shadowy political organizations with histories of persecution have rewritten history a few times over, (Vatican, etc)




Here's an example of the very understanding, assumed to be complete, simply hanging on by a thread.

Here's a good example. Long believed the Rapa Nui (Easter Island) were a thriving civilization, built their statues then died off. Because of improperly interpreted evidence. And now, a new interpretation completely overwrites long held beliefs. When an opinion is so fragile, it's very soft science.


More than 800 of these statues were created by the Rapa Nui, but by the 1860’s almost all of these people were wiped out...long held by scientists that early inhabitants of Easter Island disappeared as a result of ongoing warfare...new analysis of artifacts discovered on the shores of Easter Island, originally thought to be used as spear points,....the research team was able to determine that the mata’a were used for tattooing and farming. Therefore, the mata’a were well designed for everything – except for causing someone’s death.


www.capitalwired.com...

So many people were unaware of the Moai being full statues with torsos, that when a chain email was sent around with original excavation pictures it crashed the website of the group in charge of the project. The full bodies are pictured here.


Turns out, so many people were seeking an answer that "we were swamped by over 3 million hits and our site crashed," said Jo Anne Van Tilburg, director of the Easter Island Statue Project,


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Awhile before this article came out Moai walking "theory" creates controversy, there were a flurry of press releases claiming they 'solved' the-Moai walking to their resting place-myth.

Of course those articles cited how the Moai were not much different from their replica of 5tons. In fact, there ~900 Moai statues located, and largest is 145-165 Tons, and an erected one of 85 Tons. Ironically the controversy over the method of moving them to their final position is not out of feasibility or evidence of taking place, or by the records the people there have...it's all based on the prevailing ideas (hypotheses) of how they vanished. Certain 'experts' want them to have been placed by cutting down all vegetation, because that explains the demise. The new idea of walking, ties in with the verbal records handed down.

My point is that without knowing, (and it's clear they have no idea) you are basically starting from scratch. And I'm not saying aliens came down and carved or erected the Moai for them, that's not the point Im getting at. But at the same time, since they haven't even been able to decipher the Rapa Nui's language, it's illogical to eliminate it as a possibility from before beginning, especially when our world has a deep history of interaction with supposed sky-gods.

The largest problem with all of these cases is where they say "Okay, we know they didn't have help from anyone, they didn't have any secret knowledge, they didn't have outside influence, etc lets go from there!".... "Hmm, there's about 10 important pieces missing here, and this and this doesn't make sense, so lets make assumptions for it." -done- "solved."
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posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:03 AM
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Excellent thread Boncho!
This is important stuff and I stayed away from trying to study due to the amount of disinfo precisely as you mentioned.
I can't help but think there is something buried out there that is might gosh-darn important to go to these kinds of efforts of camouflage and distract one from finding any factual information.
Funny how the Israelis are now co-operating with Russian forces.
The world grows stranger by the minute.
Frankly I wouldn't dare to venture a guess of what's really going here except to say somebody thinks it's critical.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: boncho
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I think this picture is faked. Notice how the guy has no dust or chips on his hair, clothes or hands? Jackhammering is dirty, dusty work and you should also be wearing both eye protection and a breathing mask so you don't inhale jagged floating particles of the kind that killed so many first responders at the WTC. There's also no dust floating in the air.

The edges of the supposedly removed stone look way too clean and smooth without chipping. I think this may well be a photoshop job.

Even the angle the guy is working at is very impractical and needlessly tiring.
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posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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Did not Sumeria convince archaeologists of a civilization before Egypt?


You are missing the point. Sumeria is a great point though. I contend that our histories can make much more sense than they currently do. And Sumeria is a large part of that. Sumerian history is likely the most accurate, yet, even with thousands upon thousands of Sumerian texts left behind, there are relatively few researchers in comparison, and relatively little political interest in deciphering them. Because there is not modern-day political connection.


"There is no other ancient culture for which there is so much written material," said Piotr Michalowski, a professor of Near Eastern Studies
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Think about it, you uncover xyz about Sumeria, and all it can do is contradict future lies told. You continue to uncover lies written by other civilizations, and it will go on to support your modern day religion, belief systems, etc

It was the first civilization. Politics, dynasties and history is entirely disconnected from the modern world. Whereas the Vatican, who has a huge stake in modern politics, and keeping history unchanged, was also responsible for dating and recording modern histories, and maintaining the status quo. Same with Egyptology, as Egypt is heavily dependent on tourism, and keeping Egypt histories as they are.

There are relatively few people who are experts in dating historical accuracies, and just one example of discrepancies can change the history of Egypt by 300 years. There are biblical dates used to date Egyptian history, and Egyptian dates to date biblical history. And the 300 years is really the scratch of the surface. It's possible the dating system could fall apart entirely.

Back to Sumeria: The Sumerian Kings List - "still puzzles historians after a hundred years of research"


The Sumerian King List , records that eight kings reigned before a great flood. After the Flood, various city-states and their dynasties of kings temporarily gained power over the others.
Sumer’s mythical past

The Sumerian King List begins with the very origin of kingship, which is seen as a divine institution: “the kingship had descended from heaven”. The rulers in the earliest dynasties are represented as reigning fantastically long periods:
After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridug. In Eridug, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28800 years. Alaljar ruled for 36000 years. 2 kings; they ruled for 64800 years.


The Sumerian Kings List, like many other Sumerian texts, is very literal. And it dates back to pre-flood times. There's relatively little data on pre-flood times, and since it comes from the very first civilization, it may well be the best account of the genesis of man.




Do you honestly think an alien from a distant galaxy would look human, or that a hybrid would have the human and animal regions so distinctly separated?


Well, if we were genetically engineered by Aliens, or seeded by aliens, or even created by panspermia than, yes! Absolutely. It makes complete sense. In fact, what wouldn't make sense is a bunch of large, massive creatures....like...say.... Dinosaurs? Yet they exist in our past.




I cannot fathom a combination of DNA knowing how to stop precisely at the neck and suddenly changing to fur and feathers whilst the head remains identical to that of a man.

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If you were to take the beast literally, there is no possible way those small wings could carry such a massive creature.


I believe I pointed that out in an earlier post, but Ill go back to it. If you look at the earliest Sumerian texts, they are likely the most accurate. (Just like a witness, the first statements are usually the best) Sumeria has a long history, so in the early days they wrote with pictographic writing system, which later was derived into Cuneform. In which case the pictograms would be the most accurate. And probably are.

That being said, there is a case for some kind of hybrid creatures being around in ancient times, as well as giants. Though the earliest depictions are likely the best, because later records would absolutely interpret everything in an allegorical sense. It's like taking an isolated tribe, and a cargo cult being develops around interaction with a plane or modern vehicle, in subsequent generations if there is no more interaction, the descendants can only view or interpret it to have metaphorical meaning, and then build off that as well.

I was not even convinced of the possibility until realizing how many records, when viewed with literal interpretations, paint similar histories. Of course if true, all of that has been corrupted over the years, which leaves us with the now modern interpretations, where "men from the sky" means "gods" and "down from the sky" means heavens. And everything is first interpreted under the premise that all literal interpretations are impossible. If you are able to keep an open mind, and reference even the oldest Masoretic Judaic Texts, with literal translations, they are very similar to oldest Sumerian or Mesopotamian accounts which state very descriptively of interaction with gods and god-kings, not just some metaphorical or allegorical meaning.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
Like they're erasing history. Sorta what one would do before a big war. Afterwards only the "truth" would survive. In a few generations no one will think otherwise.



They can't erase the millions of artifacts in museums, the millions of field reports and photographs (and now 3D scans and drone footage and Google Earth/satellite images.)



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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And have you actually read The Stargate Conspiracy? It makes the exact opposite claim, which is that intelligence agencies were promoting cult-y alien beliefs in ancient history in order to create a global religion.


Did you actually read my post and understand my point in re: to that? The whole point I was making is that there was a disinformation initiative, an obvious one. Not just with the efforts of those involved in that account, but plenty others as well. Disinformation is used for a very specific purpose, to discredit or obfuscate a subject, or confuse the very people interested in it.

As for them actually trying to build a religion...I doubt it. Because if they wanted to, they could do a much better job. I suppose its possible they might've wanted to test the waters, and see the reactions, but in reality the actual cause/effect of the actions just discredited and mocked the subject and people involved in a lot of ways. Like most disinfo does.

Normally, for disinformation to get funding and have as much effort injected into it as it takes for a successful campaign, there's a very distinct objective/goal that needs to be achieved. Did they achieve it? Maybe their entire purpose was to discredit something that is going to be very hard to deny now that the entire world is connected by an unseen level of communication until now.

Terry Hansen documents, very well, that the CIA has been in control of the media in respect to the UFO/Alien topic since the 50s/60s. So anything that gets disseminated through major media is likely approved first. One could make a pretty good argument for soft-disclosure, over the course of extended timeline to get people used to the idea of what's to come as revelation. Consider the fact, Stitchin, Von Daniken and others have been around for awhile, the idea's been around for awhile, but it's only recently that they or anyone else has had the kind of play time, and mass media popularization of the idea.

Even then, there are far better arguments and more intelligent conversations that could be had over the topic, than what's presented on Ancient Aliens. Is it good though it at least has a platform for the idea to get exposure? Maybe.

With the official disclosures about CIA and other military or intelligence groups being directly involved in Hollywood, it's not surprising I guess that many things we've read in Alien/UFO/Acient-Origins literature is slowly disseminated in our major entertainment. Something that's been noted by many in the field, the reports from regular people, the conclusions from alternative-research (history/anthropology), those came before the movies did.

Popular depictions of aliens/ufo, ideas of ancient alien-gods on Earth (Stargate et al), all of those came in response to natural social discourse on these topics. And one could argue it was all on purpose. Not only does it acclimate everyone to the potential reality, while at the same time it makes it just as unlikely or implausible ("Fake...I saw it on TV!". It essentially proves and disproves at the same time, to the average, everyday, normal person, the target demographic.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: boncho
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Did not Sumeria convince archaeologists of a civilization before Egypt?


You are missing the point. Sumeria is a great point though. I contend that our histories can make much more sense than they currently do. And Sumeria is a large part of that. Sumerian history is likely the most accurate, yet, even with thousands upon thousands of Sumerian texts left behind, there are relatively few researchers in comparison, and relatively little political interest in deciphering them. Because there is not modern-day political connection.

Actually, it's a very viable and energetic field - and connected with Biblical archaeology. There's weekly reports of new discoveries (if you happen to be on the mailing lists for scholars.)



Think about it, you uncover xyz about Sumeria, and all it can do is contradict future lies told.

...and that becomes the foundation for your PhD thesis, research, and publications and teams of others to come in with supporting research.

This kind of discovery happens all the time... things contradict earlier beliefs. We rewrite history (example: Hatshepsut was not 'erased' by a jealous Thutmoses III right after her death as was first assumed.)


Same with Egyptology, as Egypt is heavily dependent on tourism, and keeping Egypt histories as they are.

Yes to the first, no to the second. We saw some of the new discoveries when I visited last October.


There are relatively few people who are experts in dating historical accuracies, and just one example of discrepancies can change the history of Egypt by 300 years. There are biblical dates used to date Egyptian history, and Egyptian dates to date biblical history. And the 300 years is really the scratch of the surface. It's possible the dating system could fall apart entirely.

Egyptologists don't use Biblical dates to date anything.


Back to Sumeria: The Sumerian Kings List - "still puzzles historians after a hundred years of research"

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The Sumerian Kings List, like many other Sumerian texts, is very literal. And it dates back to pre-flood times. There's relatively little data on pre-flood times, and since it comes from the very first civilization, it may well be the best account of the genesis of man.

There's more than one Sumerian kings list, and none is complete. There are contradictions and overlaps.





Do you honestly think an alien from a distant galaxy would look human, or that a hybrid would have the human and animal regions so distinctly separated?


Well, if we were genetically engineered by Aliens, or seeded by aliens, or even created by panspermia than, yes! Absolutely. It makes complete sense. In fact, what wouldn't make sense is a bunch of large, massive creatures....like...say.... Dinosaurs? Yet they exist in our past.

Given the time frame, they may have borrowed the artistic idea from the Egyptian sphinx. At that time there was a lot of trade between Egypt and Sumeria and we see artistic concepts like griffins being shared. Each culture has its own twist on the idea, though.



I was not even convinced of the possibility until realizing how many records, when viewed with literal interpretations, paint similar histories. Of course if true, all of that has been corrupted over the years, which leaves us with the now modern interpretations, where "men from the sky" means "gods" and "down from the sky" means heavens. And everything is first interpreted under the premise that all literal interpretations are impossible. If you are able to keep an open mind, and reference even the oldest Masoretic Judaic Texts, with literal translations, they are very similar to oldest Sumerian or Mesopotamian accounts which state very descriptively of interaction with gods and god-kings, not just some metaphorical or allegorical meaning.




My suggestion is that you first look at WHEN those documents were written... and then try to get a translation of each document. You will find that what was said by a lot of websites you've been using is NOT what's actually in these texts. And that the websites are compounding the error by putting material from thousands of years together as if it was all done at once.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 10:40 AM
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When I was writing that, I was thinking of Op's wondering of what was going on in the middle east. What Russia, Israel, etc were after. A cover for recovering artifacts such as the Ark of the Covenant?

Maybe so, but my thinking went to what is the value of a weapon like that?

What would be the most powerful of all weapons?

I just came to the conclusion that the most powerful of all is simply erasing history.

In three generations no one will be alive who remembers what was.

To destroy a cultured civilisation, one needs a barbarian. One who does not value the arts and achievements of a civilised society.

If a civilised man were to set out to destroy a civilisation, he would fail because he would see things of value he could not bring himself to destroy.

A barbarian would just destroy everything because he sees no value.

Spose I'm thinking out loud, but it worries me that our civilisation is very fragile.



posted on Jun, 30 2016 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals





I wouldn't say fake, although you are correct in that it appears to be a photo OP and that's about it. Not sure if you saw, a link on part 4 to it. Also posted below in YT form.

Be sure to watch him jack on the first one, then compare to the others. Begins at 2:50 if it doesn't start there:



I just found this article


In Mosul, some of the statues smashed in the recent attack appear to be originals, carved from stone. But others seem to have been plaster copies, judging from how easily they shattered in the video.


I think I got a little ahead of myself when I made the thread though. The fact it seemed like all the videos had been scrubbed (and almost all I could find were dead links, while other videos of the same plundering existed, just without the Lamassu specifically) got me thinking there might be more to that statue.

I considered leaving it out and maybe I should of, but who knows, the idea there are older relics that may be formed from different materials than later period Mesopotamian, or perhaps relics throughout the ages, with special properties, I still believe are out there.

John Paul VI was famous for wearing an Ephod,



I'd love to get a closer look at his, or any others the Vatican might have locked away...



And while I'm not entirely convinced the Ephod = iPad, (like this next picture suggests)



I would still be not surprised if there was something more to the Ephod than modern interpretations suggest. Nearly every account of its use describes it as a direct line or communication between god(s) / Elohim / Angels & the person using it, which is always used on the battlefield, in times of military advisory. The literal interpretation Mauro Biglino did from the Leningrad Codex, states David (ala David & Goliath) used it to speak directly on the battlefield, with the Elohim.

The 12 jewels which supposedly represents the tribes of Israel I guess is coincidental we have the same number of slots on our key pads. Urim and Thummim are separate but also part of the Ephod. Often described as a black and white stone, which was placed elsewhere on the communication device high priest battle ornaments.

From a modern interpretation:


Some propose that God would cause the Urim and Thummim to light up in varying patterns to reveal His decision. . .When Joshua succeeded Moses as leader over Israel, he was to receive answers from God by means of the Urim through Eleazar the high priest (High Priests wore the Ephod)


I'm guessing when they were in radio silence, or maybe the gods just didn't want to speak back. They got a Ouija board style, 'yes/no' for questions asked:



This one has always bugged me. The fact a lot of this stuff is so well documented, but relatively missing in history, lost in time, that also bugs me. Or those fleeting stories about various grave robbers who found mysterious remnants only to meet a short demise. The fact our actual history seems to just be a constant sacking of kingdoms and looting apparently important relics or treasures, none the people are fully aware about, and many that seem to get left out or covered up in history, along with the attempt of writing entire peoples out.

To sum it up, imagine looking back on our history thousands of years from now, how many stories are not being told? Add something that is actively being hidden, you stand little chance of discovery.



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